Need Schooling with my CZ858 price and possible future class.

micromind

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So Doing my research, found that my non restricted CZ should stay non restricted. ( need help confirming. )

Can someone help me confirm as im so confused from the RCMP site.

Pics of marking here:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/LtBboTM3SMPJAGwm8

My next question is what would a stock one go for with all the stuff it came with (mag case, 4 mags, bayonet, manual. ) about 500 rounds through her.

Plus around 3k rounds in ammo?

Thanks for the help. I'm by no means a CZ expert. and yes i have read all the articles, and yes it just confused me more....
 
The 2005, 2006 models are the ones that can be exempted.

Yours is a 2007 Tac 2-P, with the military marks milled off the receiver (very obviously), it's on the sh!t list.

Value... *shrug* I dunno. How much can you con someone into paying for a safe queen?
 
micromind said:
I have it for sale, while it's still non res.

I don't want to have to deal with it.....

Thanks for the reply.
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We are passed the cut off date for grandfathering eligibility per C71. Unless it is amended, anyone who buys it today will not be allowed to legally keep it after C71, so you are unlikely to get any fair market offers unless its from someone planning to own it illegally.

If you keep it until C71 passes you will be a grandfathered prohib owner, then you can legally sell it to another grandfathered person who can legally own it as a grandfathered prohib. You will be hard pressed to find someone who wants to pay fair market value for this firearm, considering they already own at least one that they can't use.

You should contact your MP and let them know that you object to C71 because you are personally affected, and don't want to lose the value of your property for no reason.

Given that you didn't know that your rifle was affected, you probably didn't know if it went prohib then back to NR three years ago when this all started. Tell your MP you are sick of this political foolishness that has nothing to do with criminal violence.

You basically have three options:

Work as hard as you can to ensure C71 never becomes law.
Wait to see if the eligibility date for grandfathering changes, as which point you may be able to sell the gun to someone who can legally keep it.
And if neither of those works, sell the gun at a significantly reduced price to whats it worth.

Personally I would strongly advise waiting until C71 becomes law before selling it, because if you sell it today at reduced price, and C71 never becomes law, which is very possible, you will have sold it for nothing.

You have other options, but its against forum rules to talk about them. Good luck.
 
grelmar said:
The 2005, 2006 models are the ones that can be exempted.

Yours is a 2007 Tac 2-P, with the military marks milled off the receiver (very obviously), it's on the sh!t list.

Value... *shrug* I dunno. How much can you con someone into paying for a safe queen?
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The 2005 and 2006 models are going prohib as well. They were exempted the first time around. But not with the upcoming bill once it passes. At least that is what I thought.
 
Cameron SS said:
We are passed the cut off date for grandfathering eligibility per C71. Unless it is amended, anyone who buys it today will not be allowed to legally keep it after C71, so you are unlikely to get any fair market offers unless its from someone planning to own it illegally.
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actually no that is incorrect the date is only for restricted CZ and not NRs
"Currently restricted CZ/SA firearms
If your CZ/SA firearm is currently classified as restricted, it should already be registered with the Registrar of Firearms (as required by existing legislation). You must have a PAL with restricted privileges in order to register a restricted firearm.
Provided that your currently restricted CZ/SA firearm was properly registered on June 30, 2018, please see additional criteria below which would need to be met for you to qualify for grandfathering, should Bill C-71 become law.

Currently non-restricted CZ/SA firearms
For CZ/SA firearms that are currently non-restricted, but which would be classified as prohibited should Bill C-71 become law, you would be required to take the Canadian Restricted Firearms Safety Course (if not already taken) and have your licence appropriately upgraded with restricted privileges (if not already done).

Please see additional criteria below which would need to be met for you to qualify for grandfathering.
 
Ebola said:
The 2005 and 2006 models are going prohib as well. They were exempted the first time around. But not with the upcoming bill once it passes. At least that is what I thought.
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No. C71 repeals the clause that overruled the RCMP opinion on some CZ858's being converted autos. With the clause repealed, the RCMP opinion stands once again, and we go back exactly to the situation that popped up several years ago, nothing more, nothing less. The small window guns stamped 05 and 06 will not be prohibited.
 
srdiver said:
actually no that is incorrect the date is only for restricted CZ and not NRs
"Currently restricted CZ/SA firearms
If your CZ/SA firearm...
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This is not true. You do not reference where your quote is taken from but it is not the text of bill C71. Here is what C71 currently says (this is not yet law and may change):

Grandfathered individuals — CZ rifle
(10) An individual is eligible to hold a licence authorizing the individual to possess one or more firearms referred to in subsection (11) if
(a) the individual possessed one or more such firearms on June 30,2018;
(b) the individual
(i) held on that day a registration certificate for one or more such firearms, in the case where at least one of those firearms was on that day a restricted firearm, or
(ii) applies, before the first anniversary of the commencement day, for a registration certificate that is subsequently issued for a firearm referred to in subsection (11), in any other case; and
(c) the individual was continuously the holder of a registration certificate for one or more such firearms beginning on
(i) June 30,2018, in the case where at least one of those firearms was on that day a restricted firearm, or
(ii) the day on which a registration certificate referred to in subparagraph (b)#(ii) is issued to the individual, in any other case.
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So regardless of restricted or non-restricted, in order to qualify for grandfather status the rifle had to be possessed on June 30, 2018. Of course, one might wonder how on earth they can enforce that in the case of non-restricted examples.
 
Ignorance of the law is not a defense........ but ignorant laws will be defended at taxpayer's expense.

Why on earth our gun legislation needs to be so convoluted as to be almost incomprehensible by the average citizen is something that needs addressing.
 
BattleRife said:
No. C71 repeals the clause that overruled the RCMP opinion on some CZ858's being converted autos. With the clause repealed, the RCMP opinion stands once again, and we go back exactly to the situation that popped up several years ago, nothing more, nothing less. The small window guns stamped 05 and 06 will not be prohibited for grandfathering purposes.
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Grandfathered firearms — CZ rifle
(11) Subsection (10) applies in respect of a firearm that
(a) is a
(i) Ceská Zbrojovka (CZ) Model CZ858 Tactical-2P rifle,
(ii) Ceská Zbrojovka (CZ) Model CZ858 Tactical-2V rifle,
(iii) Ceská Zbrojovka (CZ) Model CZ858 Tactical-4P rifle, or
(iv) Ceská Zbrojovka (CZ) Model CZ858 Tactical-4V rifle; and
(b) was registered as a restricted firearm on June 30,2018 or, in the case of a firearm that was not a restricted firearm on that day, is the subject of an application made before the first anniversary of the commencement day for a registration certificate that is subsequently issued.
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The Op's model is a 2p. The way I read the bill it is being grandfathered as per the written bill. They are all named prohibited for grandfathering purposes.
 
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BattleRife said:
This is not true. You do not reference where your quote is taken from but it is not the text of bill C71. Here is what C71 currently says (this is not yet law and may change):



So regardless of restricted or non-restricted, in order to qualify for grandfather status the rifle had to be possessed on June 30, 2018. Of course, one might wonder how on earth they can enforce that in the case of non-restricted examples.
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the person asking the question already possesses it,
and you can not register a non-restricted firearm.
and the CFP wasn't accepting my attempt prior to June 30, 2018 to register my NR CZ858.
 
Ebola said:
The Op's model is a 2p. The way I read the bill it is being grandfathered as per the written bill. They are all named prohibited for grandfathering purposes.
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Yes, the bill names the rifle as eligible for grandfathering. But both the firearm and the person need to be grandfathered. As quoted directly from the bill above, for a person to be eligible to hold a license to own the subject firearms, you need to have owned on or before June 30th.

srdiver said:
the person asking the question already possesses it,
and you can not register a non-restricted firearm.
and the CFP wasn't accepting my attempt prior to June 30, 2018 to register my NR CZ858.
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Not sure what you are going on about. No one said that an NR gun had to be registered. Read the actual bill.
It is clear, to be eligible for grandfathering all subject firearms needed to be owned on or before June 30. IF the firearm needed to be registered as of that date, ie restricted variants, then they MUST also have been registered on that date.

Unregistered restricted firearms are ineligible for grandfathering.
 
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