ATTENTION NFA!!! Troy Commemorative XM177E2 PROHIBITED!!

sparrow said:
So I got the call from Rampart today, the RCMP has reclassified the GAU-5 AA and I assume the XM177 as prohibited. They want the lowers turned in inside 30 days or instructions will be issue to local PDs to seize the guns from the owners. Even turning in the lowers the commemorative value of these guns is destroyed. Despite the RCMP agreeing that the Troy lowers are an excellent example of a thick walled semi auto lower, they deemed the cosmetic sear groove to be easily converted to full out (the groove isn't even in the right location) heavy sigh.
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Wow, that's fukced up....
 
sparrow said:
So I got the call from Rampart today, the RCMP has reclassified the GAU-5 AA and I assume the XM177 as prohibited. They want the lowers turned in inside 30 days or instructions will be issue to local PDs to seize the guns from the owners. Even turning in the lowers the commemorative value of these guns is destroyed. Despite the RCMP agreeing that the Troy lowers are an excellent example of a thick walled semi auto lower, they deemed the cosmetic sear groove to be easily converted to full out (the groove isn't even in the right location) heavy sigh.
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GTFOH.........i would let the 30 days grace period lapse and not respond to F*** ALL the RCMP sent to me
 
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This is a major piss-off, no question about it. Nothing but pointless vindictiveness on the part of the queen's cowboys, to prohibit a carbine of which there are hundreds if not thousands of physically identical examples in the country. This crystal lesson in "punitive law-making" by the national Gun Gestapo accomplishes nothing in terms of enhanced public safety and simply breeds further contempt for the national police force. This is the future of similar firearms under C71 when the Mounties finally achieve total control over the classification of our collector and target-shooting firearms!

Kudos to Rampart for offering a full refund with a Store Credit of $250 for our frustration and efforts in dealing with the CFC to transfer the firearms back. I am not sure if Rampart will accept my carbine back, as I have installed a proper-length 11.5" barrel which makes the Upper Receiver a "Short Barrelled Rifle" in the USA, subject to additional BATF paperwork and a $200 Tax Stamp. I may end up instead transferring only the prohibited, stripped Lower Receiver to Rampart for a sum yet to be determined. I will then have to find a suitable replacement Lower Receiver to Cera--kote the matching "SIG Grey" colour so that I can employ it as the lower for my Troy XM177E2 Parts Kit. What a royal Pain In The Arse!!!

I am not impressed with our "rcmp overlords" right about now. My regard for the horsemen as a taxpayer has reached an all-time low. I cannot respect nor can I trust a police force that is actively working to disarm law-abiding firearms owners....
 
Anyone call the RCMP/SFSS to get a written confirmation?
Is the prohibition based on an "ease of conversion" interpretation?
Is a court challenge a possibility?
 
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Disturbing, as usual. Have they released a report on these? On most newly submitted firearms, the rcmp “lab” has to create a report on their findings to prove that a firearm is readily and easily converted to full automatic. An ATIP should be submitted asking for all information/emails on these 2 particular rifles. If they haven’t actually converted one to full automatic fire, then how can they justify the prohibition based on an estimate? If they are forced to convert one to full auto, they either drill at the cosmetic auto-sear hole and it won’t be able to function or they drill at the correct location of the auto seat hole and thus invalidating their statement.
 
Anyway to fight this?

C-68. We lost a bunch. People got used to it. Then they put the VZ and SA on the radar. Now they’re coming for the XM. This is death by a million cuts.

Once they snag this, it’ll be their gateway to go after every AR out there. It isn’t a stretch to call any AR a variant of a XM-177.
 
Absolutely outrageous! I’m sick and tired of these douche bags thinking that can just keep making up the rules since the Gov refuses to hold them accountable for their Jackboot thug actions.

I realize there are only a couple of these in country but does anyone plan on fighting this “ruling”? Perhaps set up a Go Fund Me campaign.
 
Shane111 said:
The Troy rifle was prohibited due to the marking on the receiver that shows where the sear placement would be. The Colt has its own designation and is approved by the RCMP as a restricted rifle.

Just an update found this from IRUNGUNS in the CRM16a1 thread.
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Except of course, that the "marking" in question doesn't show where the sear hole placement should be, drill that and you'll get a single shot, not a machine gun. Timing is everything, and that timing is wrong. How does the lab expect to be taken seriously when it appears that they don't actually look at anything in depth, or that if they do, they don't understand the basics of what they're looking at. I was trying to hold out hope for the RCMP, but it's getting difficult to have any respect what so ever for this level of idiocy. When do Etter and Smith retire, it's long, long past time.
 
b-wingpilot said:
Disturbing, as usual. Have they released a report on these? On most newly submitted firearms, the rcmp “lab” has to create a report on their findings to prove that a firearm is readily and easily converted to full automatic. An ATIP should be submitted asking for all information/emails on these 2 particular rifles. If they haven’t actually converted one to full automatic fire, then how can they justify the prohibition based on an estimate? If they are forced to convert one to full auto, they either drill at the cosmetic auto-sear hole and it won’t be able to function or they drill at the correct location of the auto seat hole and thus invalidating their statement.
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Bingo!
 
Does anyone have the number for the Technical Section at the Lab? I would like to speak with them myself. Thanks to anyone who can help. PM me if you'd like.

won't be making myself a test-case for non-compliance. I have just wrapped up a 7-year class-action lawsuit regarding Veterans issues and as a result I have zero faith or trust in the Canadian Justice System. I certainly won't place my freedom in their hands if I can avoid it....
 
Don't have an extension number but just use 800 731 4000, ask to be connected to the Specialized Firearm Support Services; Bill Etter is senior technologist, might as well ask for him.
 
Please, for the love of God, tell me that someone who owns one of these guns also has the legal defense insurance.
 
tiriaq said:
Don't have an extension number but just use 800 731 4000, ask to be connected to the Specialized Firearm Support Services; Bill Etter is senior technologist, might as well ask for him.
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Murray Smith is probably the guy you want to talk to, as he is Bill’s manager and ultimate decision maker.
 
So I called Murray Smith at RCMP Technical Services this morning to query the status of the Troy Commemorative XM177s and GAU-5s. He confirmed that the status has been recently changed to Prohibited based solely and only on the engraved circle that represents the Automatic Sear Pin. I advised Mr Smith that the engraving is in the wrong spot and that M16 technical drawings are freely available on the internet, to no apparent effect. He insisted that the engraving constitutes a "just drill here" template for Auto Sear insertion. I protested this assertion by noting that the remainder of the internal blocks in the High-Shelf Troy Lower Receiver preclude insertion of an Auto Sear without recourse to a machine shop, again without apparent effect. Mr. Smith was adamant that the engraving in and of itself makes the Troy Lower Receiver "readily converted to automatic function in a short amount of time", despite the ludicrous nature of such a comment. We dicussed (argued) this point ad-nauseum, with me noting the lack of a definition for "readily and easily", the need for machine tools and precise measuring devices, etc, etc, without apparent effect.

Getting precisely nowhere with Mr. Smith's obtuse stonewalling, I ended the conversation noting that I would be consulting with the other owners r to determine if a Firearms Reference hearing is worth pursuing in this case, with the "Regina vs Hasselwander" decision (the firearm is what it is, not what it could become) figuring prominently in the proceedings. He didn't seem to care much whether or not we pursue such a course of action, probably assuming that 30 days provides us insufficient time insecure such a court hearing. And he is probably correct, short of some sort of immediate injunction no doubt requiring the costly services of a lawyer. And so here we are, with a generous return offer from Rampart International on the one hand, and a likely expensive legal manoeuvre wtth an uncertain outcome on the other. One must also consider the law of unintended consequences. What if a lieberal-inclined judge decides that Mr. Smith is correct, and rules that all High-Shelf AR15 Lower Receivers are "readily converted to automatic function in a short amount of time"? Would this not jeopardize the future status of all AR15s, playing right into Lieberal hands with a blanket prohibition?!? Perhaps this is a case of "sleeping dogs", requiring some personal loss for the greater good....

Any useful thoughts from the resident armchair quarterbacks and pseudo-lawyers?

Edited to add: Tired of this BS, I have doubled down and bought a Colt SP1 Carbine to convert into a GAU-5 clone with a 11.5" barrel and faux Moderator. I may even go so far as to have "Auto" engraved in the appropriate location on the Lower Receiver. Heck, maybe I'll go hog wild and have some small circles inscribed on that Lower right above the "Fire" roll-mark. Oh yeah, and I just bought one of these to soothe my butt-hurt... So bite me, Mr. Smith!!!


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So if I engrave my lower in the same fashion it is now prohibited? What about if I paint an auto sear hole or draw one on? At what point does this ludicrousy stop?
 
Let's get a go fund me lawyer fund going.

What they want is for us to just go away.


Clearly this Murray Smith has serious contempt against gun owners, totally bias and not trying to even appear fair or reasonable.

We have at the helm people like this and wonder why we are constantly being artacked.

I'll chip in $100 for GoFundMe me today if you get it going

I do not own one of these, but I am so tired of this unfair treatment
 
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