Prohibited ar15

Mr Wolverine

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Let’s take a look at the classification of the AR15.

Prior to Bill C68 the AR 15 when fitted with a barrel over 18.5 inches was a non restricted sporting rifle, if the barrel was under 18.5 inches the firearm was restricted. Life was simple, we all knew where we stood.

When Bill C68 was passed various OIC (Orders in Council) were used to change some firearm classifications.

The AR15 and variants’ all became restricted regardless of manufacture or barrel length by OIC.

On 7th March 2017 Mr Murray Smith RCMP SFSS announced a change in the policy that the RCMP SFSS used to classify AR15 pattern semiautomatic rifles and pistols for their FRT programme. Basically if there was sufficient space between the lower receiver walls, adjacent to where a full auto sear could be fitted, to allow the fitting of a full auto sear, these lowers would be classified as prohibited. Obviously the full auto sear and other fire control parts had to be fabricated and the sear pivot pin hole drilled. So the wider gap between the lower receiver walls was only a small detail in the illegal job of converting an AR15 to fully automatic fire.

The above is important in light of the following court case which stated: If a firearm is considered to be readily and easily converted to discharge shots in rapid succession with a single pressure of the trigger in a relatively short period with relative ease. R. V. Hasselwander, (1993) 2 S. C. R. 398. Then the firearm would be prohibited. In this court case I understand an experienced armourer modified a converted auto Thompson SMG back to full auto in the court room, with a few hand tools in 15 minutes.

While the AR15 receiver drawings are freely available on the internet providing a template on where to drill the FA sear pivot pin hole, the full auto fire control components are not readily available in Canada, these would all have to be handmade and fitted, a task that would alone take considerable skill and this conversion to full auto is illegal and would show a permanent modification to a registered firearm, hardly an act any sane gun owner would carry out. So the AR15 and variants’ are restricted, but for how long.

I have just learnt that Troy Industries XM177E2 carbine (This is a replica of the first M16 “shorty”) has been re-classified prohibited reference the Hasselwander case. Apparently this is simply because the lower receiver is marked with a “Pretend” head of a full auto sear pivot pin and this could be used as a template in order to drill the prescribed hole. Again this is only one minor detail in converting an AR15 to fully automatic fire.

What is the difference in having an alleged “drill here” spot marked on the receiver and detailed plans available on the internet?

The pattern is plain to see, slowly, step by step we are moving towards the prohibition of the AR15 family of firearms. This should be of concern to every owner of an AR15 firearm and every dealer who markets them.

What is the next step?
 
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A handful of vendors sell "pretend" suppressors. Give me one of those fake suppressors, a Popsicle stick and a rubber band and I can convert it into a fully functional suporessor in under 10 minutes.

The next step John? My guess. Threaded barrels.
 
(1) when was the last time a converted auto turned up anywhere?
(2) How many 9mm smg's could you make with the same time and money as it would take to covert an AR?
This is a BS gun grab ploy, where the "experts" in the lab just get to make stuff up.
 
I take it as this way, there has to be a game of take and give. You have to feed the rabid anti-gunners with something, just so they can claim they're making grounds. Even though the stupidity of this prohibition of this particular AR is apparent to us, to them, they see it as a small victory.

We need to make sure whoever is in Ottawa comes from our pedigree, or atleast will see the common sense of gun control that ALREADY is the law. Until then, they will go after small victories like this, and my opinion is, let them make baby steps inward, while we leap them in the next federal election.
 
i could thread any barrel in 10 minutes with a tap and die set (not well or proper, but i could) ban tools?

Why couldnt anyone go to home depot and make a device capable of firing a bullet? itd have terrible accuracy but itd be relatively easy. ban home depot?

If they can prohibit an ar15 for this reason, they could prohibit any firearm for this reason. But unless if theyre going to ban every material capable of hitting a primer, the possibility will always be there. We can live in a world of marshmellows and gummybears. Realistically they need to pull their heads out of their asses and realize that legal gun owners arent breaking these laws, and criminals arent following laws. Theres an infinite amount of things people could do but that doesnt mean they ever would.
 
That is a stupid way of thinking

No, giving them small victories here is a good thing. It stops them from impeding too far into reclassifications.

People who are anti-gunners are idiotic wolves with short term goals in mind. As long as the wolf has something to eat, we can go about our daily lives and plan out how to kill the wolf and the pack.
 
John,

Thanks for bringing this to our attention. The lab seems to be spit balling more and more as time goes on.

JR
 
No, giving them small victories here is a good thing. It stops them from impeding too far into reclassifications.

People who are anti-gunners are idiotic wolves with short term goals in mind. As long as the wolf has something to eat, we can go about our daily lives and plan out how to kill the wolf and the pack.

Absolutely not! This is death by 1000 cuts. Small victories is what they want to keep the ball moving towards the end goal of taking away ALL our firearms. We need to fight them every step of the way.
 
No, giving them small victories here is a good thing. It stops them from impeding too far into reclassifications.

People who are anti-gunners are idiotic wolves with short term goals in mind. As long as the wolf has something to eat, we can go about our daily lives and plan out how to kill the wolf and the pack.

There is a fallacy in this thinking, in that it is harder to regain ground than it is to hold ground.

The grave is filled one shovelful at a time.
 
No, giving them small victories here is a good thing. It stops them from impeding too far into reclassifications.

People who are anti-gunners are idiotic wolves with short term goals in mind. As long as the wolf has something to eat, we can go about our daily lives and plan out how to kill the wolf and the pack.

THIS seems like a common thinking back in the early and mid 1940s, unfortunately this thinking did not work out so well for a few million folks.

As long as we are willing to keep tolerating the constant tightening of the noose the SFSS/RCMP lab rats have around our necks it is only a matter of time until we are done.

The FRT system is an abuse of power in the first degree. Classification by looks or by what something "might be" is garbage. The laws are pretty clear in so far as things are what they are, not what they can be, so why (I know stupid question) do the lab guys continually get away with this?
 
Absolutely not! This is death by 1000 cuts. Small victories is what they want to keep the ball moving towards the end goal of taking away ALL our firearms. We need to fight them every step of the way.

I disagree, it's clear the ones after our guns are not governed by common sense, they are after superficial bans like markings on a receiver, or messages on wood, etc.. Although they do affect some gun owners, generally the field is still unaffected.

As long as we fight back in the other direction to put someone like Maxime in Ottawa, they will continue to go after small tit-for-tat victories that do not affect us as a whole. There needs to be some sacrifice for us to gain time to put someone in Ottawa who understands that we are NOT criminals, and petty prohibitions like the one above have just riled gun owners and people of intelligence to vote in the right direction.

Speaking of which, you don't deserve to comment on this issue because you single handedly caused the whole Swiss Arms fiasco. If it weren't for people like you, we wouldn't be here in the first place, jackarse...
 
I take it as this way, there has to be a game of take and give. You have to feed the rabid anti-gunners with something, just so they can claim they're making grounds

What needs to happen is that everyone needs to be reminded that this, our enjoyment of a diverse selection of firearms, is, always has been, and (hopefully) always will be, a hobby.
We don't need guns. Anyone trying to convince 'someone' that we do is dooming our sport (the argument for whether or not our police forces even needs one is for another place, but certainly isn't one that should be forgotten in the rush to ban guns, ie. look at Britain).
We need to convince the 'crazies' that we want our diversity of firearms like car people want their diversity of cars and bike people want their diversity of bikes, and hikers want their diversity of boots and painters want their diversity of paints, etc etc etc. The whole argument that firearms are dangerous needs to be dropped like the plague it is. More people die from reckless driving, riding, hiking (painting?:) in this country than ever die from firearms, but any ####### can get what they need for their 'hobby'. Do I have the statistics on this, no, but I'm sure they're guaranteed for at least 2 of the 4 'hobbies' I mentioned.

We also need to very strongly remind the Liberals of how fiscally irresponsible it is for them to be doing this when the money needed to make this gun 'grab' effective (legislatively and enforcement wise) could be so much more effectively spent somewhere else. It's definitely not going to be cheap.
How has the fiasco of the long gun registry been forgotten, for christ's sake?? And how in the hell is the public at large able to sit back at this blatant disregard for civil liberties.
 
There is a fallacy in this thinking, in that it is harder to regain ground than it is to hold ground.

The grave is filled one shovelful at a time.

You need a village or two to burn before you get enough fuel for the entire tribe to raise hell. This is how it was and always is.

We can use prohibitions like this to educate and show people that none of this makes any sense. Without petty examples, you won't convince people that we are in grave danger.
 
Until they get rid of detachable box fed semi auto's, they haven't got anything.


Always wondered how well a tiny dc motor clamped to the trigger guard, would work. Heck, even duct tape my Makita to my Tavor.... bingo bango, scary full auto! hmmm....


It's just like CCW, in that if it was legal, none of us would bother ever doing it (too uncomfortable, expensive ect).

Death by a thousand cuts, isn't too far off the mark.
 
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