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Scope and mount?
STAG-10 In the Wild!
- Thread starter dangertree
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Scope and mount?
Brother in law and I both bought a stag10, finally got them out to shoot them today! Was a load of fun, but it was not without any hiccups.
The good!
Accuracy wise, these guns are very accurate right out of the box! With federal 175 Sierra match kings, I was getting 1 moa 5 shot group and had a .75 moa 3 shot group at one hundred yards. With hirtenberger surplus 147 gr ammo, I was getting 1.5 - 2.5 moa, if I really took my time and did my part. So not too bad for surplus ammo. Once the gun started breaking in things became smoother. I do believe that this rifle does need a break in period before things smooth out, not for the barrel, but for the rest of the gun and the action. The v6g gamma brake works very well (my bro in law has it on his) and I opted to put a AAC Blackout on mine and it was very soft shooting, even with more stout loaded rounds. The action is very smooth and handled max loads I had made up for initial development easily with no over pressure signs found. The rifle will feel heavy when picking it up, but I find it balanced really well when shouldered. Unfound the barrel didn't really heat up quickly even when not allowing long periods of time to cool. Very nice to have a heavier barrel!
The bad!
Lock tight and check all bolts on this rifle. Both rifles began to have malfunctions starting shortly after shooting. They began with fail to lock back on empty, then moved to short stroking and not picking up a round at random, to stove pipes and finally moved to straight pull action. This happened to both rifles around the same time. Culprit was the Allen screws used to secure the gas block had come loose. One rifle had the gas block being loose and the other had walked forward about 10 thou or so. Just enough that you can't tell by looking at it. The gas blocks were resecured and lock tightened down. Went back to 100 percent function right away.
Use good ammo with these, even good surplus. These rifles are picky with ammo (to be expected with these types of rifles). Things will smooth out inside the rifle, but until then they feel a little rough. They do have tight tolerances so I don't see this as a bad thing. I did have multiple stove pipes, but I am going to put that towards some of my handloads being ####ty, I have never loaded for 308 before so I'm still learning. I had no malfunctions when using the surplus hirtenberger ammo or any factory ammo.
Aside from the gas block coming loose there really wasnt much gripe with this rifle. I am very happy with how it performed (once the gas block issue was figured out). It is a higher precision rifle and should not be treated like a tavor or a regular rack grade ar15. I cannot wait to continue load development for this rifle and see how hard I can push this rifle.
The good!
Accuracy wise, these guns are very accurate right out of the box! With federal 175 Sierra match kings, I was getting 1 moa 5 shot group and had a .75 moa 3 shot group at one hundred yards. With hirtenberger surplus 147 gr ammo, I was getting 1.5 - 2.5 moa, if I really took my time and did my part. So not too bad for surplus ammo. Once the gun started breaking in things became smoother. I do believe that this rifle does need a break in period before things smooth out, not for the barrel, but for the rest of the gun and the action. The v6g gamma brake works very well (my bro in law has it on his) and I opted to put a AAC Blackout on mine and it was very soft shooting, even with more stout loaded rounds. The action is very smooth and handled max loads I had made up for initial development easily with no over pressure signs found. The rifle will feel heavy when picking it up, but I find it balanced really well when shouldered. Unfound the barrel didn't really heat up quickly even when not allowing long periods of time to cool. Very nice to have a heavier barrel!
The bad!
Lock tight and check all bolts on this rifle. Both rifles began to have malfunctions starting shortly after shooting. They began with fail to lock back on empty, then moved to short stroking and not picking up a round at random, to stove pipes and finally moved to straight pull action. This happened to both rifles around the same time. Culprit was the Allen screws used to secure the gas block had come loose. One rifle had the gas block being loose and the other had walked forward about 10 thou or so. Just enough that you can't tell by looking at it. The gas blocks were resecured and lock tightened down. Went back to 100 percent function right away.
Use good ammo with these, even good surplus. These rifles are picky with ammo (to be expected with these types of rifles). Things will smooth out inside the rifle, but until then they feel a little rough. They do have tight tolerances so I don't see this as a bad thing. I did have multiple stove pipes, but I am going to put that towards some of my handloads being ####ty, I have never loaded for 308 before so I'm still learning. I had no malfunctions when using the surplus hirtenberger ammo or any factory ammo.
Aside from the gas block coming loose there really wasnt much gripe with this rifle. I am very happy with how it performed (once the gas block issue was figured out). It is a higher precision rifle and should not be treated like a tavor or a regular rack grade ar15. I cannot wait to continue load development for this rifle and see how hard I can push this rifle.
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I haven't decided on a scope yet, but really wanted to try mine out, so I put an Aimpoint PRO on it and went to shoot some steel at 100 yards just for fun.
Thing was malfunctioning like crazy.
First 15 rounds were fine. Put 40 more through it and almost every round would fail to feed. A few times it would also fail to strip the next round from the mag, and also fail to lock open on the last round.
Ammo was Federal Lake City 149 grain. I doubt it was a magazine issue, as it was happening with all five of my XCR mags and the factory Magpul mag.
Thing was malfunctioning like crazy.
First 15 rounds were fine. Put 40 more through it and almost every round would fail to feed. A few times it would also fail to strip the next round from the mag, and also fail to lock open on the last round.
Ammo was Federal Lake City 149 grain. I doubt it was a magazine issue, as it was happening with all five of my XCR mags and the factory Magpul mag.
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Yup exactly how Mitchell's and my rifle were. We unscrewed the gas block, took the screws out, applied locktite, lined the gas block up and made sure it seated as far as it could, then tightened the screws back in, very hand tight.
Both of our screws were easy to break loose too.
Both of our screws were easy to break loose too.
Alright, thanks guys.
The block itself didn't look like it had moved at all, and the markings on the barrel from the set screws lined up perfectly with the holes in the gas block, but I applied some blue loctite and re-torqued them anyway. Hopefully that does the trick.
A few of the handguard screws were definitely loose, and the ones that weren't probably would have been after a few more rounds. Gonna loctite them and torque them down as well.
Did you guys notice any other screws in particular that needed some attention?
Cheers,
Kris
The block itself didn't look like it had moved at all, and the markings on the barrel from the set screws lined up perfectly with the holes in the gas block, but I applied some blue loctite and re-torqued them anyway. Hopefully that does the trick.
A few of the handguard screws were definitely loose, and the ones that weren't probably would have been after a few more rounds. Gonna loctite them and torque them down as well.
Did you guys notice any other screws in particular that needed some attention?
Cheers,
Kris
Any thoughts as to why these issues would be a rising with a Stag Rifle? I'd think QC would be a little higher with Stag Arms than the other competitor here in Canada. Should be receiving mine on Tuesday. Hopefully it's a solid unit.
To be perfectly honest gunner84 I would go over your rifle anyway, I usually do when I recieved a new firearm. I just never thought about checking a gas block. But you are right, how they didn't catch these things is maybe something for ARMS EAST to ask? Just an idea.
Apparently they are in stock now so they ship the next business day after your order. Merry Christmas!!
Tom
Maybe it has something to do with all those complaints about availability? Perhaps that caused a rushed job? I don't know and it's not an excuse but it may be an explanation...
Tom
Apparently they are in stock now so they ship the next business day after your order. Merry Christmas!!
Tom
Doh!!! But YAY!! Unfortunately I don't think I can wait for Christmas knowing this now.
When I order and get mine, I'll dimple the screw points on the barrel, torque down the screws along with Loctite or Rockset or stake the screws.
Doh!!! But YAY!! Unfortunately I don't think I can wait for Christmas knowing this now.
When I order and get mine, I'll dimple the screw points on the barrel, torque down the screws along with Loctite or Rockset or stake the screws.
How much of a staking would you do to the screws? I locktite mine, I don't think I have much to worry about with the locktite melting but is it good to do both?
