Best .22 for a new shooter

Buy the most accurate .22 you can afford. There is nothing more satisfying than having 1 or 2 or more .22 rifles in your safe that shoot accurately. When purchasing a rimfire, cost of gun and optics is really a non issue because they are so inexpensive to feed relative to centerfire guns.

I have paid in excess of 1K for a single shot rifle, and it never fails to place a smile on my face. Shooting 50m? That is fun, go to 300? sure.

Some of my best and most expensive pieces in my collection are .22's and I wouldn't have it any other way.
 
I have buddies with cheaper firearms and not a ton of cash and they still have fun. I would stick with what you can afford and be happy. Shooting can be expensive, but it can also be cheaper than some habits such as buying lunch and coffee everyday.... I would never discourage someone from getting involved with shooting unless for mental health reasons.


Depends on what you're willing to settle for..Personally, I like buying lunch and coffee. I don't do it every day butttttt.

I'm not trying to discourage a newbie. I just want to point out some facts that will become glaringly obvious very shortly after he purchases his firearms.

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Lots of good advice. I would also recommend a savage mk11 with the heavy barrel. A few different options. I'm never without one in the safe because they are cheap enough to take out hunting in the Bush and accurate enough to have a day at the range. They have a decent aftermarket support and are reasonably cheap in comparison. Spend more money on a nicer scope. I've owned several and have never had a lemon or one that didn't shoot great.
Like some other fellas mentioned.. if budget isn't holding you back go for the gusto with a tricked out dlask 10/22 , cz or anschutz.
Like anything else, depends what you are looking for and what you want to spend.
 
I would recommend a CZ. Definitely a little more money but you get what you pay for. Accuracy is very important no matter your skill level.

I would stay away from 10/22. Good guns but horrible accuracy.

Love my cz. But like a rem 700... the base models of the 10/22 are plinkers at best. I have a 10/22 vleh with minor tweaks that shoots the lights out. 10/22s are fun as heck to customize if you're up for it. Target rifles they are not. Rarely had a stovepipe or any other stoppage in the 20 years I've used them. Mags seem to be their biggest issue with stoppages
 
Buy the most accurate .22 you can afford. There is nothing more satisfying than having 1 or 2 or more .22 rifles in your safe that shoot accurately. When purchasing a rimfire, cost of gun and optics is really a non issue because they are so inexpensive to feed relative to centerfire guns.

I have paid in excess of 1K for a single shot rifle, and it never fails to place a smile on my face. Shooting 50m? That is fun, go to 300? sure.

Some of my best and most expensive pieces in my collection are .22's and I wouldn't have it any other way.


Just as important as the rifle, is the scope. Many cheaper scopes have very aggressive parallax issues and the crosshairs only stop moving around at a specific range or very narrow range. That's why I suggested to the OP he might be just as well off with iron sights.

Dedicated 22 scopes, without AO, are usually parallax free at 25 meters, whereas Centerfire scopes are usually parallax free around 125 meters. Depending on how well they were assembled, will depend on how little reticle dispersion you will have at other ranges.

Every once in a while a cheap scope will be fine but they're few and far between. Every once in a while a good quality scope will have very nasty parallax issues.

I was using mid range Bushnell scopes on a few of my 22s. I noticed the parallax issues on the last two right after receiving them through the mail. I sent them back to their facility (recommended in the literature)

It was in Quebec. Both scopes came back, after several months, with a note saying they were within spec. Those were the last two Bushnell scopes I will ever purchase.

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Just as important as the rifle, is the scope. Many cheaper scopes have very aggressive parallax issues and the crosshairs only stop moving around at a specific range or very narrow range. That's why I suggested to the OP he might be just as well off with iron sights.

Dedicated 22 scopes, without AO, are usually parallax free at 25 meters, whereas Centerfire scopes are usually parallax free around 125 meters. Depending on how well they were assembled, will depend on how little reticle dispersion you will have at other ranges.

Every once in a while a cheap scope will be fine but they're few and far between. Every once in a while a good quality scope will have very nasty parallax issues.

I was using mid range Bushnell scopes on a few of my 22s. I noticed the parallax issues on the last two right after receiving them through the mail. I sent them back to their facility (recommended in the literature)

It was in Quebec. Both scopes came back, after several months, with a note saying they were within spec. Those were the last two Bushnell scopes I will ever purchase.

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All my glass are AO Equipped. Never did see the sense behind a rimfire scope. Too many compromises especially when trying to make a case for accuracy, or even shooting gophers in the fields.

But I agree good glass also contributes to the experience. Lots of good glass on EE for less than new :)
 
If money is tight,take a look at the Norinco JW15, a knockoff of a BRNO.Not as finely finished but they shoot just fine.I’ve got both .The only thing you can’t do is brag about them

While I agree (my JW15 with the right ammo will put them all in the same ragged hole) it took three rifles (through warranty) to get one with a straight barrel. The first two I had, I had to drift the rear sights just about out the left side of the barrel to hit zero, likewise, with a scope, there was not enough windage adjustment available. They also need tuning; stock bedding, smoothing of sharp edges. I won our club's last cross country shoot scope class, with my JW and a cheap Tasco pronghorn 3 x 9 scope.

A better bet (I have one of these too) is the Scorpio .22. Much smoother, much nicer finish, and about the same price as the JW. Their barrels need bedded too. SFRC has them on for $200.00:
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CZ is still the best bet, but it will be about 3 x the price of the scorpio. I have a CZ in .17 HMR, but my plan is to upgrade the JW to a CZ in the next year or so for no good reason other than it's not a CZ. LOL
 
Lots of good advice. I would also recommend a savage mk11 with the heavy barrel. A few different options. I'm never without one in the safe because they are cheap enough to take out hunting in the Bush and accurate enough to have a day at the range. They have a decent aftermarket support and are reasonably cheap in comparison. Spend more money on a nicer scope. I've owned several and have never had a lemon or one that didn't shoot great.
Like some other fellas mentioned.. if budget isn't holding you back go for the gusto with a tricked out dlask 10/22 , cz or anschutz.
Like anything else, depends what you are looking for and what you want to spend.

I believe there is little to no advantage of having a heavy barrel on a .22 if you are going to carry it all day. Carry both, you will come to the same conclusion.
 
I'd stick with a bolt action rimfire as they're lower maintenance and easier for a new shooter to get a hang of things. Savage makes great rimfires for a relatively low cost and are very reliable and accurate. I would never suggest any chinese/knockoff brands for a new shooter as they're more likely to cause issues and you want a new shooter to have the best experience possible.
 
I believe there is little to no advantage of having a heavy barrel on a .22 if you are going to carry it all day. Carry both, you will come to the same conclusion.

Do not choose a heavy barrel for a hunting rifle as there will be no noticeable difference in accuracy between heavy and standard barrels in the hands of 99% of hunters. On the flip side, 99% will definitely notice that extra weight on longer walks and when shooting from odd positions.
 
I bought a Scorpio,but never fired it yet,although I hear they are pretty accurate.Lots of good 22’s around,you don’t need to spend a ton of money to get out shooting .I like old Mossbergs too,nice wood and no plastic ,and some with adjustable triggers( my main complaint on new 22’s)
Interesting comment on the heavy barrels,the Marlin 6000 ‘squirrel rifle’ did not outshoot the regular barrel marlin 60 and was dropped from production
 
As a new shooter myself, I looked at the .22LR as a lower cost way to get into the sport. My first purchase was a CZ455 Canadian Edition and I put a Nikon ProStaff Rimfire 3-9x40 scope on it that I picked up on Amazon. Of course the CZ was back ordered when I place the order, and not being patient I also purchased a Ruger 10/22 Carbine combo (semi-automatic, comes with a scope and case $399 from Al Flaherty's). This was a great deal, and it's pretty accurate. Love the CZ bolt action too.

Of course my theory of lower cost went out the window as I also have a M&P9 2.0 and a Ruger Mark IV Target now, with eyes on a few more. For best / lowest I'd recommend the 10/22 Carbine combo, It's far more accurate than me, but that's not saying much, and my range is limited to 25 metres so I'm happy. The CZ is extremely smooth and a beautiful firearm.
 
Monitoring this thread.... I'm in the same boat as OP and had my heart set on a 10/22 as my first gun. Now you guys are making me lean towards a Savage!
 
I'd stick with a bolt action rimfire as they're lower maintenance and easier for a new shooter to get a hang of things. Savage makes great rimfires for a relatively low cost and are very reliable and accurate. I would never suggest any chinese/knockoff brands for a new shooter as they're more likely to cause issues and you want a new shooter to have the best experience possible.
Well said CZ would be my recommended
 
‘I would never suggest any Chinese knockoff brands for a new shooter as they’re likely to cause issues ‘...beg to differ...my Experiance with Bolt action Norinco JW 15 is they are every bit as reliable and just as accurate but for a fraction of the price of a CZ....and yes,I own a CZ. Main issue with Norinco is the finishing isn’t up to CZ standards, and the wood stocks are some kind of softwood,the synthetics are a better choice. My $200 JW15a Back Packer 13’’ short barrel with a regular 4x Bushnell is my grouse gun of choice and knocks the heads off grouse just as well as my CZ
 
Hello,

I just posted a new thread asking about what shotgun to buy for a new hunter.
I also plan to buy a .22 for target shooting and small game.
I am not sure if I want a scope or if iron sights are the best option.
Recommendations for targets and game?
For guns I was looking at the Savage FXP .22 and the Remington 597.
Are these good guns? Suggestions for better/cheaper choices?

First lets consider what elements a rifle must have in order for the marksman to exploit it's accuracy potential. The essentials of a good rifle include a convenient way to hold the piece, sights you can see, and a trigger you can manage.

The rifle stock should fit the shooter. A stock that is too short results in eye relief problems if the rifle is scoped, and if extreme, causes some difficulty in holding and trigger control due to the cramped condition of the firing arm. Too long a stock makes it slow to get into a satisfactory shooting position, results in difficulty in manipulating a manually operated action, and in the case of a centerfire rifle, increases felt recoil. Since human beings come in all sizes,the approximate nature of the factory stock's dimensions might fit you, but chances are it will have to be manipulated to fit correctly. Since its easier to do good shooting with a rifle whose stock is a bit short than one that's a bit long, suggests that the stock should be fitted to the shooter when he is dressed for cold conditions. In this respect, a wood stock has the advantage over plastic, in that it can be cut or lengthened easily enough with tools commonly found in the home.

The trigger is perhaps the most important element of the rifle. The trigger above all other elements is what allows the marksman to exploit whatever accuracy and precision his rifle has to offer. A quarter minute rifle with a soft spongy trigger is more difficult to shoot as well as a 2 minute rifle with a 2 pound trigger that is free of creep and over travel.

A rifle can have good sights or poor. Good sights are a pleasure to use, while poor ones result in frustration, and the eventual loss of interest of a shooter who comes to believe this shooting business is simply beyond him. The cost of the rifle is seldom a guarantee the sights will prove adequate. In broad terms there are three types of sights you'll consider, open sights, aperture sights, and scopes. Opens sights can be quite good, but are also among the most awful sights ever to be mounted on a rifle. Open sights are the slowest to use since the eye must focus on three different points individually, rear sight, front sight, and target. Since we cannot focus on any two points at different distances simultaneously, we rapidly shift our focus between all 3, then shift focus to the front sight as the shot is fired.

Aperture sights have the advantage of speed and precision. The rear sight is essentially ignored, you look through it, but pay no attention to it, thus your focus only has to shift between the front sight and the target. Provided you consistently place your cheek on the stock from shot to shot, the shot dispersion on the target will be minimum. You will benefit from a rectangular post front sight, since a round bead provides no index of elevation. The top of the front sight is placed in the center of the target, and is analogous to the horizontal wire of a scope's cross hair. The center of the front post is easily discerned, and is analogous to the vertical wire of a cross hair. When target shooting, if you make up your target with a round bulls-eye that appears to be the same width as the front post at the distance you shoot from, the post will appear wider than the bulls-eye if placed anywhere but in the center.

Scope sights have become ubiquitous on sporting rifles, both rimfires and centerfires. Their primary advantage is that the target and the reticle (cross hair) are on the same focal plane, so are in simultaneous focus. Magnification should be considered a means to better see the target, and not the primary advantage, since field of view diminishes with magnification, and field of view is as an important element of rifle sighting as the apparent size of the target. Another advantage the scope has is it's ability to produce a clear image in reduced light, making shots possible that would not be with irons.

Scopes are also the most expensive sighting equipment, and not only must the scope produce a clear image, it also has to have predictable adjustments. The scope also needs mounts that hold it securely to the rifle, and these can also be relatively expensive. Beware of cheap scopes, these will fog up in cold damp weather, the adjustments will be neither consistent or predictable.

The scope sight also has disadvantages. If shooting in the cold, your breath will ice up the ocular lens, and the scope's image is deteriorates in rain, snow, and fog. The rifle is not as convenient to carry at the balance when a scope is mounted. The diameter of the objective lens will determine how high above the bore the scope must be mounted, and the diameter of the ocular lens can lead to problems cycling the action. Until you gain experience using a scope, shooting quickly will be slower than it would be with irons since you will be constantly moving your head around in order to get a good sight picture, but once onto it, it will prove faster since you won't have to deal with the focusing issue that irons have.

The semi-auto action has the advantage of continuity of fire. This is code for, you'll burn up more ammo if you shoot a semi-auto, at the cost of marksmanship. While this might not apply to you, it requires more self discipline to make each shot count from a self loader, than it does from a manually operated action. While not universally true, the quality of the trigger pull of a semi-auto rifle tends to be inferior to manually operated rifles of similar quality. We've already discussed the importance of trigger quality, but the semi-auto trigger has to do much more than simply release the sear. Once you press the trigger and the rifle fires, the trigger must reset when pressure is released from it. This means that travel is built into the trigger's design, whereas a bolt action trigger can have almost no apparent movement when the sear is released, and it is reset when the action is cycled.

The pump action is essentially a semi-auto you have to work yourself. The primary advantage of the pump action rifle is that it is the only action that allows repeat shots without the shooter having to break his shooting grip. At this period in time, the Remington 572 is I believe the only pump action .22 of reasonable quality that is available.

If you like lever actions, they are available from Winchester, Marlin, Henry, Browning, Mossberg, and Rossi.

To my way of thinking, the bolt action is the best platform to learn to shoot on. Triggers tend to be good, and the novice is encouraged to place precision over speed; yet a bolt gun can be fired fast enough. A good example is a pleasure to both own and shoot. A good bolt action rifle can become a multigenerational heirloom, and good quality .22 rimfire rifles can't be shot out, since the heat generated by the small powder charged isn't sufficient to erode the throat; far more damage can be done with a cleaning rod, than by shooting.

I'll make 2 recommendations, first is a CZ 452 or a 455 with a spoting weight barrel. A .22 rimfire does not normally require a heavy barrel for accuracy, particularly if the rifle is for small game hunting, plinking, and informal target shooting. Walking around for a day with this rifle will make you appreciate a sporting rifle profile. I would upgrade the sights to a NECG apurture rear sight and a Patridge brass faced post front sight.

My second recommendation if the CZ is too expensive, or even if its not, is to purchase a used rifle from Tradex, their link is at the top of the page. Since there is no concern about a rimfire barrel being shot out, give them a call and explain that you want a good quality sporting rifle, with a good bore, ready to use out of the box, that is within your budget. I have absolute faith that this will provide you a rifle you'll be very satisfied with.

Once you have your rifle, purchase a variety of ammunition to see what it likes best. Once you've determined what it likes, purchase a case (5000 rounds) of it. This is when your learning will really begin.
 
It is tough to beat a Ruger 10-22 .

^it's actually very easy to beat a Ruger 10/22, especially if accuracy is the challenge. I've never owned a rifle as inaccurate as the (NEW) 10/22 I bought probably 10+ years ago. It was back in metal trigger guard days too. The trigger was a gritty tug-of-war, the gun...scoped...off a rest...couldn't reliably hit a pop can at 40 yards. Raging piece of s***, I've tried to steer people I care about away from them ever since. If Ruger wants to sell fixer-uppers, they should be selling 10/22s at half the price they do. lol Now, obvious bias aside...I have to believe they sometimes roll out of Ruger shooting decently, it just hasn't been my experience..and the lemon I owned isn't the only one I've played with. The last one I shot was a take down when those came out, made me nostalgic about how poorly mine shot~because it was every bit as bad. lol

Hello,

I just posted a new thread asking about what shotgun to buy for a new hunter.
I also plan to buy a .22 for target shooting and small game.
I am not sure if I want a scope or if iron sights are the best option.
Recommendations for targets and game?
For guns I was looking at the Savage FXP .22 and the Remington 597.
Are these good guns? Suggestions for better/cheaper choices?

I tend to be very long-winded when replying to threads like this, mostly because of my enthusiasm for rimfires. And because I'm long winded. :) Maybe point form will help...I've read this whole thread, and almost everything I would say on the topic has been touched-on. With that said, I'll reply as though I haven't read it all.

1. Iron sights vs scope~more a function of how you want to use the gun, distance probably the biggest factor. Some guys like me almost have to use scopes because of older...tired eyes, but if you're a young guy planning on shooting 40-ish yards or closer, you may be better served by iron sights. If one target is 30 feet away and the next 30 yards, iron sights (again) probably the best choice. No messing with the scope to get it dialed-in at various distances. Depending on what you hunt, or distances you may want to target shoot~scopes increase the range you can hope to be accurate at. No getting around that. Personally, all but one of my 22s wear scopes, and the one that doesn't has VERY good iron sights~a BRNO 2E. Probably the time to be honest about iron sights on inexpensive guns~they vary from average quality to very poor, and that includes Savage/Marlin and definitely Norinco. (I've had 3 Norincos, still have 1)

2. Bolt vs semi~disregarding my 10/22 comments for a moment, the truth is..you can count on even an inexpensive bolt gun out-shooting an inexpensive semi. Triggers are usually better, the bolt holds the round in the chamber during discharge (vs. blowing back to cycle the action), safer for new shooters (=no follow-up shot instantly chambered with the hammer cocked), WAY easier/quicker to clean, WAY easier to trouble-shoot without tools in the field, WAY less likely to even REQUIRE trouble-shooting, etc. etc. Semis have their place as fun guns, but if you're wanting accuracy out of factory 22s, best place to start is a bolt gun.

3. Inexpensive 22s/scopes~like most things in life, you get what you pay for. However, if a $600 CZ just isn't in your budget, don't sweat it. It would be better to get what you can afford, and get out there using it a TON. Get to know 22s, test lots of ammo types to see what it likes, just shoot/practice allot. Period. Only with that frame of reference (thousands of rounds down the pipe) will better guns/better scopes start to make more sense. You may never feel the need to upgrade, or, you may love 22s so much that your next question will be "CZ or Anschutz?" :) The reason guns like CZs get recommended so much is because of how good they are for the money. If you've been at it almost 30 years like I have (some guys here allot longer than that!) you look back on the number of mediocre guns you've owned and wished you would have just saved longer for a CZ from the start.

4. What to get~looking at the price of the models you asked about, I'd suggest a Savage B series gun. The older Mark IIs could likely be had for less (and they're OK) but the B series represent a bunch of improvements over the Mark IIs that were overdue. Marlin XTs are good, allot of guys like the Ruger Americans (bolt guns), etc. There are older guns like Cooeys that are solid/reliable/inexpensive....but usually lack some of the nicer features of modern guns. Most aren't set-up for scope use either.

5. Heavy barrel vs light barrel~if all you were doing was target shooting (or gopher shooting) a heavier barrel will settle-in nicer, feel more steady~but in those cases, you're using a rest or bipod. If you're standing, using improvised rests like tree branches (hunting) or carrying long distances...you'll be awfully glad you did NOT choose a heavy barrel.

6. Shotgun~Mossberg 500, best value out there. Remington 870 a little heavier, simpler to strip down, equally reliable.

Chances are, your first 22 won't be your last..so don't overthink it. Get the best you can afford, shoot it allot, have fun! Avoid gun/scope packages, they tend to have poor quality optics. Try to get a scope with adjustable objective, a good option to consider are older Bushnell Banners. Glossy finish, adjustable objective, can often be had for $100-$125. Glass is very decent. I still have one on my 17HMR, great performer.
 
I quite like my CZ 453 bolt gun for accuracy and my FN Trombone pump action for blasting away at the range. The former likes CCI Standard best and the other takes 16 rounds of high velocity 22 short hollow point. I like them both. Unfortunately, neither are available at Cabellas.
 
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