Tenifer, Glock, and “Toughness” - One season’s guiding & bushpiloting on a G40

Late to the thread but I'll say as a fellow glock shooter... Even with that kind of corrosion, I doubt you would ever HAVE to change guns in your lifetime. A full small parts kit for a Glock is cheap, especially if just talking springs/connector/etc and no locking block/firing pin/trigger.

I doubt that rust, if even just wiped down daily, will ever actually affect the performance of the pistol in a way to significantly disrupt it's performance. Might look pretty messed up, but I bet it still will shoot better than any of us off hand even 10 years from now.

I also suspect the light strike was from WD40/lube in the striker channel, or just a bad round. Doubt that has anything to do with surface corrosion on the parts. Could go with a "maritime spring cup" (factory part) to help with drainage in the striker channel?

That being said, I also agree that an all stainless .44 might be an overall better gun for these purposes... Though, as others have pointed out, revolvers are much harder to detail strip and clean. I'd definitely go with a Ruger SBH over a Smith as you can actually pop out the trigger group in one piece and there's no sideplates to deal with. I also think they might be better "sealed", not having sideplates or a grip frame to retain moisture around the mainspring...

Weight will always be better with the Glock obviously, too bad the 329pd (featherweight Smith .44 revolver with scandium frame/titanium cylinder) is prohib by 1mm lol.
 
Stainlessfan you realize Ardent's life may depend on his gun going bang every time. Not like he might lose a match or have to go home early from the range. That bear laying on the log is not Winnie the Poo. Ardent has been around the block for awhile. As they say it isn't his first rodeo.

Take Care

Bob
 
Just a guy, who works with guns and grizzlies outdoors. Don’t think I’m particularly more qualified than most, I do see a lot of what salt and water, and sand, and use do to things. The Glock has quite a few weak points in this environment, lots of tiny springs that get eaten, light striking pressures with the striker mechanism are susceptible to issues as I’ve now experienced first hand. I know a Smith & Wesson double action lives through it withtout a care, drenched in water displacing oil. I shoot autos very well and revolvers mediocrely in a hurry, so will stick to autos long as I can. And the Glock fits for me best by far, it’ll get an overhaul, and we’ll go from there. The round was good, the examiner asked if he could try it again and it fired all good, had a half depth light strike.
 
The easiest thing would be to try and find some time somehow to do weekly maintenance beyond the current practice of wd-40 spray downs and creek dips.

If it's a life and death emergency tool, surely there would be time made to maintain it in working order? Just the cost of doing business.

But hey maybe the revolver that doesn't need maintenance, that you don't like shooting.... is a better option for you?


I used to think you had a pretty cool job, but now I'm not so sure..... seems like you are severely stressed for time. Hopefully the money is good?

Maybe you should buy a second, hire someone to maintain it for you and swap guns once a month?

Just trying to think outside the box...... guns are cheaper then life in Canada that's for sure.
 
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I have two “dream jobs”, outfitter through the hunting season and helicopter pilot the rest of the year; like all dreams they come with caveats that people don’t envision. Stressed isn’t the way I’d put it, busy and a lot to manage is more like it. You could never force me into an office or work van, or a commute, so I suppose it’s worth it. Nothing worth doing is easy, if it was everybody would be doing it. Reality is all too realistic sometimes, but I digress.

Just about every factor aside from Grizzlies will kill you long before the bears do. Far more important stuff to pay attention to is the flying, aircraft maintenance and inspection, jet boating the rivers, keeping fuel topped up and dry, risk of hypothermia, slips trips and falls / the boring stuff gets dangerous here. Only guide to die here fell, the year before I bought my area. On a gun forum people focus on the gun as a safety instrument and it is, but it’s low on the totem pole. The job is jack of all trades and every piece of equipment I can run that needs no undue attention, is the right one for the job. Again suspect the Glock should be able to get to that goal with annual rebuilds of springs and small parts, and maritime spring cups. If there’s one more hiccup she’s being replaced by a tougher gun I like less.
 
The main hazard is the big red thing behind me, and the grey thing under me. CGNer nmo assistant guiding here in last spring with the Model 70 .375 H&H in its usual habitat the North Coast BC rainforest.

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Ardent said:
I have two “dream jobs”, outfitter through the hunting season and helicopter pilot the rest of the year; like all dreams they come with caveats that people don’t envision. Stressed isn’t the way I’d put it, busy and a lot to manage is more like it. You could never force me into an office or work van, or a commute, so I suppose it’s worth it. Nothing worth doing is easy, if it was everybody would be doing it. Reality is all too realistic sometimes, but I digress.

Just about every factor aside from Grizzlies will kill you long before the bears do. Far more important stuff to pay attention to is the flying, aircraft maintenance and inspection, jet boating the rivers, keeping fuel topped up and dry, risk of hypothermia, slips trips and falls / the boring stuff gets dangerous here. Only guide to die here fell, the year before I bought my area. On a gun forum people focus on the gun as a safety instrument and it is, but it’s low on the totem pole. The job is jack of all trades and every piece of equipment I can run that needs no undue attention, is the right one for the job. Again suspect the Glock should be able to get to that goal with annual rebuilds of springs and small parts, and maritime spring cups. If there’s one more hiccup she’s being replaced by a tougher gun I like less.
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Ardent,

i know not the same but i had never rust on my 1911 45 in the CAR jungle. what i did was using an oiled rag to clean it everyday and when back to civ a good cleaning. as you said you can be killed by many things before the beast come on you.

Phil
 
Hey Phil, up top in the mountain side of the territory away from the salt, agreed. The rainforest here is as wet or wetter than the CAR and with good oiling blued guns survive for awhile, but not on the salt water. Exponential rise in the issues with rust and corrosion soon as salt enters the equation.

Angus
 
Ardent said:
Hey Phil, up top in the mountain side of the territory away from the salt, agreed. The rainforest here is as wet or wetter than the CAR and with good oiling blued guns survive for awhile, but not on the salt water. Exponential rise in the issues with rust and corrosion soon as salt enters the equation.

Angus
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that is the big difference salt water ...
 
Canuck44 said:
Stainlessfan you realize Ardent's life may depend on his gun going bang every time. Not like he might lose a match or have to go home early from the range. That bear laying on the log is not Winnie the Poo. Ardent has been around the block for awhile. As they say it isn't his first rodeo.

Take Care

Bob
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No I get it, I'm just saying that I fail to realize how surface corrosion is going to prevent the gun from going bang when the trigger is pulled... That being said, placebo can be priceless (not being sarcastic), so if I didn't "trust" my gun, just that might be worth buying a new one.

There should really be no difference between the stainless steel of a S&W revolver and the stainless steel of a Glock other than the Tennifer coating... If anything, the glock should be MORE resilient to corrosion as it has the extra coating/treatment. That being said, it clearly is showing more surface corrosion than Ardent's peer's smith. That suggests to me that maybe the Tennifer itself is showing corrosion? Might not actually be the steel underneath, if you see what I'm saying?

In any case, it's not my life on the line nor my pistol... Just giving my $0.02!

FYI here's an article talking about a Glock torture test over 18 years that had it submerged on the ocean floor for 6 MONTHS STRAIGHT and still functions 100% after a full 250,000 rounds...

https://www.ballisticmag.com/2018/05/23/glock-17-torture-test-ocean/
 
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Well I have asked TWICE and still have NOT seen pictures with RUST on the ACTUAL tenifer finish........need I (or any of us...) say more in that regard...???? OP stated that he noticed "tiny rust blossoms" on the tenifer finish...ya....show us...
 
Ardent said:
I have two “dream jobs”, outfitter through the hunting season and helicopter pilot the rest of the year; like all dreams they come with caveats that people don’t envision. Stressed isn’t the way I’d put it, busy and a lot to manage is more like it. You could never force me into an office or work van, or a commute, so I suppose it’s worth it. Nothing worth doing is easy, if it was everybody would be doing it. Reality is all too realistic sometimes, but I digress.

Just about every factor aside from Grizzlies will kill you long before the bears do. Far more important stuff to pay attention to is the flying, aircraft maintenance and inspection, jet boating the rivers, keeping fuel topped up and dry, risk of hypothermia, slips trips and falls / the boring stuff gets dangerous here. Only guide to die here fell, the year before I bought my area. On a gun forum people focus on the gun as a safety instrument and it is, but it’s low on the totem pole. The job is jack of all trades and every piece of equipment I can run that needs no undue attention, is the right one for the job. Again suspect the Glock should be able to get to that goal with annual rebuilds of springs and small parts, and maritime spring cups. If there’s one more hiccup she’s being replaced by a tougher gun I like less.
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It's true, many "dream jobs" become jobs in the end if a person doesn't keep a good attitude.
I work in one of the more dangerous occupations in Canada per the statistics and it doesn't involve bears or firearms.... :)

I also agree that the glock may never be needed.... but it would suck to go click the one time you did need it after carrying it around for so many hours.

I think you are on the right track with a preventative parts replacement schedule similar to your aircraft. If your going to carry it, it might as well be reliable... :)
 
Try using G96 as a spray on your pistol before your next trip. I had very good luck using it with corrosive ammo and less than optimal cleaning regimes with my VZ’s and SKS’s. I still use it on my Glocks today but admittedly, not in salt water environments.

G96 does perform well in home brew corrosion tests as below:


I use the pressurized version.
http://www.g96.com/products/gun-treatment/


It’s also passed tests done for US Army in salt water environments:

Weapons Firing Salt-Spray Test

Operating Requirements – Salt Spray: Salt-spray environments. CLP applied to an M249 that is then exposed to a salt-spray environment for 96 hours shall prevent any Class II or III stoppages, shall allow not more than two Class I stoppages in 200 rounds, and shall sustain a rate of fire of at least 650 rpm.

Salt-spray environment test: Only one machine gun shall be used for salt-spray testing and its’ performance alone shall determine if the requirement is met.

Inspection and preparation: The test weapons shall be disassembled, cleaned and lubricated with a normal application (see TABLE VI, Note 2) of the candidate product. With the bolt closed and the safety set in the “safe” position, the machine gun shall be placed in a salt spray cabinet and exposed to 5 % salt-spray in accordance with the Salt Fog Test Procedure of TOP 3-2-045, except that salt-spray and dry cycles shall be 48 hours each instead of 24 hours.

Weapons Firing: After the last salt-fog/dry cycle is complete, the weapon shall be moved to the firing position and loaded with an un-conditioned 100-round belt of ammunition. An initial burst of approximately 10 rounds shall be fired to validate the firing rate. The remainder of the 100-round belt shall be fired in 5-7 round bursts to check for stoppages. The second un-conditioned 100-round belt of ammunition shall be fired in the same manner, without further conditioning of the weapon.

Salt-spray environment failure criteria: Any Class II or III stoppage, more than two Class I stoppages in 200 rounds, or a reduction in the rate of fire below 650 rpm, shall be cause for rejection of the lubricant.

http://www.g96.com/faqs/general/
 
Ardent just toss it into the ocean in your off season. Should be good to go every season. Seems to work for some. Where is your territory say from Rupert.

Flew into Trout Lake in the NWT in a Turbo Beaver. One of the young lads from the village was deaf and nearly backed into the prop as we were gliding into shore. Pilot was on a pontoon and got his attention in time with a stick. A nurse over in the Eastern Arctic ran into a prop of a Twin Otter while I was up there. IIRC after that the commercial boys had to paint the yellow/orange strips on the props. You are right there are other things you have to be concerned about besides Mr. Buin.

You working the fires?

Take Care

Bob

Aside from the overloading of the 85's the turbos just about carried anything you could stuff in then or hang on them. Looking back on that part of my life it seems it was more fun now then it was then.
 
Ardent said:
Happy every time I go to work and happy every time I go home, can’t ask for more than that. Seems you’re trying to read it’s not a happy profession though it very much is, but it’s not for everyone, for sure. You’re a faller or a fisherman, then. ;)
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Glad to hear it!
I wasn't sugesting your an unhappy camper at all..... I've just met people doing "dream jobs" that were unhappy is all, mostly due to boredom after many years and a lack of imagination for how much worse some people have it.

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I'm no scientist but it was once explained that WD 40 is a hydroscopic fluid which surrounds the molecules of water and washes them away. Mostly. But if not all are washed away, the WD dries up and leaves the water on the metal to start the rust process. So this is why it is not a good preservative and way down on my list for releasing rusty parts. There are way better products although WD has some new specialized products.

New S&W stainless revolvers are full of MIM parts now so I'm not sure how well they hold up to anything. Find an older model if you go that route. Epoxy probably has the best advice so far on this thread. Cerakote can be applied to every single part except the springs and firing pin so it is more than externally cosmetic and very corrosion resistant. But I'm very biased in the Cerakote area. Nothing is corrosion proof. Your Block can be brought back to life with Cerakote most likely so it is not a boat anchor. Good luck.
 
Ardent said:
:wave: I’m sorry to hold you up and cause you distress, TWICE. I’m 1,900kms my Glock for the foreseeable future and it’s low on my priorities list to travel back to it.
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But you made it a #1 Priority to post on the largest forum in Canada - a topic called "Tenifer, Glock, and “Toughness” - One season’s guiding & bushpiloting on a G40" .....

....and posting comments such as: "...she’s showing her age... one season..."

Your posts title and content appears to focus on criticizing (premature - only one seasons exposure..?) rust on Glocks Tenifer finish....?? and yet all you post is a picture of rust on things attached to said Glock...NOT any photos of actual rust on the Glock Tenifer finish.

Additionally..., when you are asked to provide actual pictures of the (your) Glock Tenifer finish (rusting so you say..) on your post which is clearly focused on condemning said finish - you can not provide .... because and I quote: "...it’s low on my priorities list.."

No evidence. No crime.

Just sayin'.......
 
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