Man dies following hunting accident in Nova Scotia: RCMP

I personally think having to wear both a hunter's orange hat and vest is silly. One or the other should suffice. I understand its value, but it really does limit your chances with certain kinds of hunting tactics, particularly with the strict rules we have here in NB.

Lots of guys running around pulling all sorts of nefarious stuff in hunting season here in the east, though, and not wearing orange is probably one of their lesser crimes. There are a LOT of guys drinking and smoking weed while they hunt, maybe even driving a truck or ATV at the same time. I think DNR and RCMP are scared poopless by the thought of pulling such individuals over and would much rather band-aid the problems as they arise, like in this case.

My former hunting ground in Saint John city limits (Hamburger Hill, if anyone on here is from the area, they might know what I mean) was so full of poachers and nefarious dudes that I had to give it up, despite one of the highest deer densities in the province. One of my friends was scoped there, across a clearing, and I had a guy threaten to "open fire" with a .30-30. Easy hunting spots like this attract a lot of scumbags, the kind who shoot at noises, and they're best avoided, in my experience. This is why I mostly bowhunt for deer now. The season is earlier, with less chance of being shot, and you can get into areas that gun hunters can't access, even the sketchy ones.
 
I wonder how your life insurance company would see it
Here hunters orange is mandatory and get shot and killed with none on hunting I would bet the farm your poor mrs could kiss any life insurance you have good bye also
Cheers
 
3macs1 said:
I wonder how your life insurance company would see it
Here hunters orange is mandatory and get shot and killed with none on hunting I would bet the farm your poor mrs could kiss any life insurance you have good bye also
Cheers
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That wouldn’t be the case at all. The Mrs would be happy as hell with a pocket full of money
 
bearkilr said:
I don't use it to identify things. If I see a car driving down the road, I don't look at it through my scope to see who's driving. I also don't use it to see who's walking along a bush line. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I identify things with the naked eye and use the scope for closer examination.
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I do the same. If its too far away to see with the naked eye that its a deer, moose, elk etc... its too far to shoot anyways.

I will use the scope to see if it has antlers or to count the points to make sure that its legal to shoot, or to look at a deer to determine if its a mule or white tail.

I don't use the scope to look at that little dark blob coming down a cutline towards me, that's dumb.
 
3macs1 said:
I wonder how your life insurance company would see it
Here hunters orange is mandatory and get shot and killed with none on hunting I would bet the farm your poor mrs could kiss any life insurance you have good bye also
Cheers
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My guess would be the insurance would pay out, then sue the guy who pulled the trigger to recoup their losses. But who knows, insurance companies can be pretty sleazy at times...

r204 said:
Deer are colour blind, apparently so are some hunters.
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No they are not. Deer have good sight in shorter wavelengths, particularly blues. However they have poor vision in the higher wavelengths, reds and oranges. That's why hunter orange isn't a big deal from the perspective of being seen by them.

They have more rods than us, whereas we have more cones so they have better low light vision but can't see colors to the same degree that we can. Rods also have lower spatial acuity than cones, so they can't see fine details to the extent we can.

Humans typically have 3 cones, which are sensitive to three different ranges of wavelength (blues, yellows, and reds respectively) whereas deer only have two, and lack the cone that sees well in the red/orange spectrum.

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Camo is a different discussion entirely, it's primary purpose is to break up your shape so you don't look like a person at distance...
 
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1963beretta said:
So you believe it to be ok if another hunter uses his scope as a bino to see what’s coming even if that happens to be you walking in the bush???

Finger on the trigger or not....a gun should never be pointed at anything without proper identification first. I cant fathom why this is such a hard concept to understand. f:P:2:
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I think you need to take this within the context it was intended.
Yes, many hunters will use their scope to look at things,,, generally it would be game at a distance. I have used my scope in the same fashion and do not see issue with it. Gun doesn't go off if the safety is on and you practice trigger control.
I do find it frightening that people will throw up their gun, scope or not and impending sounds or bush movement. !!
 
TheCoachZed said:
I personally think having to wear both a hunter's orange hat and vest is silly. One or the other should suffice. I understand its value, but it really does limit your chances with certain kinds of hunting tactics, particularly with the strict rules we have here in NB.

Lots of guys running around pulling all sorts of nefarious stuff in hunting season here in the east, though, and not wearing orange is probably one of their lesser crimes. There are a LOT of guys drinking and smoking weed while they hunt, maybe even driving a truck or ATV at the same time. I think DNR and RCMP are scared poopless by the thought of pulling such individuals over and would much rather band-aid the problems as they arise, like in this case.

My former hunting ground in Saint John city limits (Hamburger Hill, if anyone on here is from the area, they might know what I mean) was so full of poachers and nefarious dudes that I had to give it up, despite one of the highest deer densities in the province. One of my friends was scoped there, across a clearing, and I had a guy threaten to "open fire" with a .30-30. Easy hunting spots like this attract a lot of scumbags, the kind who shoot at noises, and they're best avoided, in my experience. This is why I mostly bowhunt for deer now. The season is earlier, with less chance of being shot, and you can get into areas that gun hunters can't access, even the sketchy ones.
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this is why i have my own land to hunt on
 
IvoB said:
The 41 year old is an idiot - when I am out coyote hunting i make sure that its not wearing a collar before i take the safety off. RIP
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You mean before you shoulder your rifle. Hunter culture and binoculars save lives; real binos not Canadian Tire or Walmart crap.

Side note we don’t use orange in BC, a proper hunting culture and identifying your target completely saves lives better than any colour can.
 
A friend of mine did a study of hunting accident deaths. He phoned many of the shooters and asked them to tell the story. For most of them there was a common thread.

The hunter saw a deer run into a bush after he had fired at it. Then he saw the deer a bit later, running out of the bush, and fired again - killing his partner.

Each was convinced he had seen a deer for the second shot. We tend to see what we expect to see.
 
TheCoachZed said:
I personally think having to wear both a hunter's orange hat and vest is silly. One or the other should suffice. I understand its value, but it really does limit your chances with certain kinds of hunting tactics, particularly with the strict rules we have here in NB.

Lots of guys running around pulling all sorts of nefarious stuff in hunting season here in the east, though, and not wearing orange is probably one of their lesser crimes. There are a LOT of guys drinking and smoking weed while they hunt, maybe even driving a truck or ATV at the same time. I think DNR and RCMP are scared poopless by the thought of pulling such individuals over and would much rather band-aid the problems as they arise, like in this case.

My former hunting ground in Saint John city limits (Hamburger Hill, if anyone on here is from the area, they might know what I mean) was so full of poachers and nefarious dudes that I had to give it up, despite one of the highest deer densities in the province. One of my friends was scoped there, across a clearing, and I had a guy threaten to "open fire" with a .30-30. Easy hunting spots like this attract a lot of scumbags, the kind who shoot at noises, and they're best avoided, in my experience. This is why I mostly bowhunt for deer now. The season is earlier, with less chance of being shot, and you can get into areas that gun hunters can't access, even the sketchy ones.
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I know what you mean. I used to hunt with a friend on his uncles farm in the Norton area, but unfortunatly it was very close to the main road. We would be sitting there, obviously hunting and have every yahoo in the area drive past us every 5 or 10 minutes even though us and our truck were clearly ahead of them. Even had a few guy jump out and shoot at a porcupine while less than 100 yards from us. And i can't even count the number of times i saw deer run frantically past us being chased back and forth all over this farm. If you didn't see something and get a shot pretty well right at first light on opening day the deer were soo spooked it wasn't worth the frustration.
That's why as soon as i had the means i got my own piece of land well off the beaten path with only a few locals who even bother driving out that way.
 
smokin'stoegie said:
I think you need to take this within the context it was intended.
Yes, many hunters will use their scope to look at things,,, generally it would be game at a distance. I have used my scope in the same fashion and do not see issue with it. Gun doesn't go off if the safety is on and you practice trigger control.
I do find it frightening that people will throw up their gun, scope or not and impending sounds or bush movement. !!
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Fair enough....but the context in the statement was very vague....”scope used as a spotter or binos”
 
Ganderite said:
A friend of mine did a study of hunting accident deaths. He phoned many of the shooters and asked them to tell the story. For most of them there was a common thread.

The hunter saw a deer run into a bush after he had fired at it. Then he saw the deer a bit later, running out of the bush, and fired again - killing his partner.

Each was convinced he had seen a deer for the second shot. We tend to see what we expect to see.
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I could see this happen to some people. some of us don't get too excited, and some just go nuts with excitement.

I have used the rifle scope to look at game because I find the scopes better in low light than binocs. never once to check out a moving blob. I am also wary of hunting in crowded areas cause of idiots. I am selective of who I hunt with due to past experiences rabbit hunting with trigger happy newbys. we push yards in groups of 2 to 5 shooters and one guy calls the shots. when rabbits run out they often sit and have a quick look 50-500 yards out. the shot caller tells the guys who gets to shoot. the guy goes prone and you want him forwards out away from the other hunters due to noise. twice I had morons shoot from 10 feet off to the side and a few feet behind as I was aiming, blowing your ears into a 2 day ring. wasn't there turn to shoot but they just couldn't help it. no more.

now that being said I have one excellent spot in a clearing in the bush that lets me shoot 25 yards out front and 10-15 out back. its a natural funnel spot. I have learnt the hard way if I hear something behind me to first reach for the gun hanging on the hook then peer around the tree. I imagine if someone came up behind me quietly and id hear them and reach for the gun they would #### themselves. but deer are very quiet on there approach. generally under 20 yards before you hear them if there is any wind. no the guns not pointed till I see which way the deer is coming as there are 4 possible trails from behind.

I do know of a distant relative that took a youngster out hunting. he was color blind. they split up to sit 150 yards apart. there was snow so they sat a little longer than legal shooting time. when the mentor got up to leave the younger guy shot him thinking he was a deer. low stomach, long recovery but thanks to a thick winter coat he survived.

we are required to wear hunter orange in Manitoba. having done some deer drives you would be amazed how good it can blend in to bush and snow as ive walked right up to the shooters who never moved, to within 30 yards before the orange popped out.

one thing I drill into the few select first timers I take hunting when talking about safety and how people get shot is when you shoot a deer you have to hit the vitals. exactly in the vitals not just the bloob or the deer somewhere. badly hit deer can run for miles. if we cant see the whole deer and how its oriented its not worth the risk of taking the shot.
 
My eyesight is terrible and I can see hunter orange for miles. I’ve never met anyone who has said they couldn't see hunter orange outside of 30 yards. If that is the case, I really hope they dont have as much as a drivers license
 
1963beretta said:
My eyesight is terrible and I can see hunter orange for miles. I’ve never met anyone who has said they couldn't see hunter orange outside of 30 yards. If that is the case, I really hope they dont have as much as a drivers license
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I can see it for miles as well. But there are instances where it can blend in more than you would believe until it happens to you. No I wasn't looking for it but it didn't pop out at me till he spoke to me. He was sitting above me on a river bank and behing some scrub with snow. Clearly visible once you knew. I was doing a drive to him and he said he was seeing how close I was gonna get.
 
Just something about a hunter orange garment being introduced into court that I like.

Make the defence lawyers work for it. Likely Judge alone.
 
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