Rise of the Bullpup
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Not a fan of bullpups in general. I was not impressed by Tavor and x95, but RDB surprised me in a good sense. Best trigger pull among bullpups. Simple and reliable. Well, at least range reliable after you adjust the gas first time.
Thank you, that makes sense!
Levon12345
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I own a Bushmaster M17S and Tavor and have handled a few other bullpups. For me, I've found that any bullpup I have handled has something I don't like about it that keeps me from saying they're great rifles. The Tavor has it's trigger and the controls take getting used to. The M17S is heavy and needs updating from K&M Aerospace. They're both not as accurate as my AR (which is only a 1.5 MOA gun in my hands.) I will admit, once you put some upgrades into most bullpups out there their shortcomings start to disappear fast, but stock iterations aren't that great. I don't think I'm going to be keeping either of my bullpups and if I go with another non-restricted 5.56 it will be a conventional rifle.
I really like bullpups, but that's because I find value in their strengths and don't find their weaknesses to be particularly troublesome. I love the weight balance because it makes them easier to carry. I don't mind them being slightly less mechanically accurate because I find them much easier to make hits with offhand. The added muzzle velocity gives you a bit more wiggle room when it comes to hitting or missing fleeting targets at unknown distances. The reloads honestly just take a bit of practice to be as proficient as with an AR, and frankly I find superfast coolguy speed reloads people like to make videos of themselves doing to be of dubious value. I personally think the stock triggers on things like the TAR21 are fine, which surprised the heck outta me, considering the horror stories told about them every day.
Most rifles I want are bullpups. AUG (prohib, lame), FAMAS (no civy version, would be prohib anyway), P90 (just pointless with a 5 round mag restriction though). Shot the P90, love it. Handled an AUG, feels amazing. Maybe the Lithgow F90 will be NR and I can get a kind of AUG. I love bullpups.
While I like my TAR21, I really miss shooting my AUG. Yes the trigger is less than stellar, but it just seemed to fit me well. Was very accurate with GP90 ammo. No change in zero after hundreds and hundreds of barrel removals (that's how I used to show clear at matches)!
Auggie D.
Auggie D.
You will find a nice .5 moa increase in accuracy with the lighter trigger. Just don't change the spring opposite the trigger spring. I think it's called the disconnecter because it prevents the gun from firing if it is not fully in battery.
Bill
I use my X95 for 3 gun. Have a trigger kit in it and just use an aimpoint.
I consistently place in the top 25%.
I've had many internal debates about wanting to buy an AR15 again. And every time I come up with the same logical conclusion. Besides Height over bore theres no reason why to buy an AR over the X95 least for me.
Love it. Works great. Pings steel at 300+. Honestly they got it right.
I consistently place in the top 25%.
I've had many internal debates about wanting to buy an AR15 again. And every time I come up with the same logical conclusion. Besides Height over bore theres no reason why to buy an AR over the X95 least for me.
Love it. Works great. Pings steel at 300+. Honestly they got it right.
Levon12345
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- Edmonton area, Alberta
And now I want to try out that RDB tac when it gets here. Dammit.
Putting all of the working parts of a rifle within the stock...or, put differently, building a handle (the stock) around the working parts, rather than just sticking a useless lump of wood or plastic behind it for you to hang onto...seems like a very logical, natural and reasonable evolution of the modern rifle. Reducing the length and vastly improving the balance are good things. Bad triggers? The RDB and RFB prove that a crappy trigger is not unavoidable. I wonder if anyone complaining about bullpup triggers has tried shooting a WK180? 
However, a lot of shooters just don't seem to be too open-minded about this. They cling to the old-school paradigm, i.e. design and build a functional working mechanism, and then as an afterthought stick it into an unnecessarily long handle/stock, because that's the way it's always been done and they like it that way.
I wonder...does this make them Black Rifle Fudds?
However, a lot of shooters just don't seem to be too open-minded about this. They cling to the old-school paradigm, i.e. design and build a functional working mechanism, and then as an afterthought stick it into an unnecessarily long handle/stock, because that's the way it's always been done and they like it that way.
I wonder...does this make them Black Rifle Fudds?
Bullpups have their own limitations, so they won't replace classical design modern rifles any time soon. With pups it's harder to clear failure to feed or double feeds, basically most likely you'll have to take down the rifle to deal with this. Shorter length and closer position of supporting hand makes harder correcting aim and transition (you can do it faster but not as precise as with longer rifle). Also try to stick pup out of the breach or trench and aim without exposing your precious brain box.
What gives you this idea? If I need to fix a double feed on a TAR21 or a QBZ, I pull the mag and rack a few times, just like everything else.
In-line construction and the resulting high-mounted sights is an aspect of just about every modern rifle I can think of.
High-end Ar-15/10s are like the tall blonde Victoria Secret supermodels that everyone wants until they actually start paying for one.
BullPups are like that cute little girl that you try not to like but the more hands-on time you have, the more you find you can't live without.
Short wheelbase, fast in the corners and tough as hell.
Rick
BullPups are like that cute little girl that you try not to like but the more hands-on time you have, the more you find you can't live without.
Short wheelbase, fast in the corners and tough as hell.
Rick
Is the F12 you're referring the new Turkish Bullpup 12 gauge?
Try an RDB. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.
With serious jam, that requires some force to be used to clear. With classical designs you (usually) have access to chamber. In some bullpups it's OK, but with other (like F2000) you basically need to take down the rifle to get normal access to chamber.
I had shorter length in mind with iron sights. Imagine sticking it into loophole when your cover thickness is about 50-70 cm. That's the real combat experience feedback I got from ppl I know (otherwise feedback was VG for bullpup).
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