Soldiers In Texas Are Putting The Army's Newest Marksman Rifle Through Its Paces
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Of course they do....cause it's HK, if only this industry could get it's squash together and standardize on something.
The military would be better off buying something engineered in a country that knows a thing or two about engineering. No US gunmaker can play in the same league as HK as far engineering is concerned...not by a long shot. There are only two serious small arms makers (not counting handguns) left in the west, and both of them are European: FN and HK. It's no coincidence that even old school DI M4's and M16's are made by FN these days.
Stoner called it the Internal Piston System if I remember correctly, I would have to check a book I have on the shelf somewhere (Black Rifle by Blake R. Stevens, its really good) but I think thats what he called it.
Same way a ruger 10/22 is a piston gun...the empty case acts as a piston to push the bolt back. Obviously we dont refer to 10/22s as piston guns, and the colloquial use of terms is the defacto correct term...semantics aside its pretty obvious what 99.9% of people mean when they say DI operated or piston operated regarding ARs...
Lol their business motto would be “We took something heavy and found a way to make it more heavy... your welcome!”
yet this is still going forwRD:
https://www.guns.com/news/2018/12/26/kac-wins-16m-army-contract-for-more-m110-sniper-rifles-photos
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https://www.guns.com/news/2018/12/26/kac-wins-16m-army-contract-for-more-m110-sniper-rifles-photos
BOLTGUN
Most of these military contracts for small arms gives a maximum value but actual purchase could be of any value within the given time. The same reason why we have all these colt Canada uppers floating around.
It looks like the army is buying the HK as a "squad" DMR weapon first, but currently the KAC could be a company level asset and some maybe assigned to sniper det. So they could be multiple thing going in parallel and some places may need to have new weapons before it is their turn to get the HK.
It is like other small arms, they are talking about next generation SAW, but they will be buying M249 continuously until the very last unit makes the change. It doesn't seem to make money sense, but these things are tools so if they are broken there must be new ones. You cannot stop the wheel just because you don't get the newest version of the tool, even if it means that you need to buy the older version.
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You understand that is a complete package including spare parts and the maintenance/armorers package right? They aren't just selling a gun. They are basically selling a weapons system that will have to last a certain amount of time and train armorers for it. All that gets factored into the price.
Agreed, but in addition, as we see here, the contract can be increased/extended or re-awarded.
Annnnnnnd NOPE. Not at all.
The Brits? You mean the same people who adopted the SA80 (and later had to hire HK to completely re-engineer that piece of garbage)? It's a little silly to assume that the British military would only use top notch stuff.
Art Vandelay...
The importer/exporter Vandelay Co. is a big supporter of this...I think they will match donations till the end of the year.
The importer/exporter Vandelay Co. is a big supporter of this...I think they will match donations till the end of the year.
You are out to lunch on this particular point. It would seem that your well-warranted love for European small arms manufacturers has blinded you to the possibility that certain North American companies are similarly capable of producing world-class military firearms. The company names Lewis Machine and Tool, Knight's Armament and Colt Canada spring immediately to mind.
In the case of LMT's MWS selection as the British DMR (the L129A1), that rifle underwent exhaustive testing against the very best that the world had to offer at the time, beating out SIG, HK, Knights, and others for the win. That New Zealand would select the LMT MARS system for its new standard-issue 5.56mm service rifle similarly speaks volumes given the available alternatives on the world market and the sheer number of competing "AR" Manufacturers. It is safe to say that LMT is a "World Class" manufacturer of selected military and Law Enforcement small arms. Their production capacity may be limited, however the relatively low volume of output permits a company such as LMT to maintain a degree of quality conftrol that their larger competitors simply cannot match.
You can denigrate the continued British use of the SA80 with good cause. However I would caution you against drawing sweeping conclusions about the entire British Army and it's equipment from a single example that is more a matter of stubborn national pride than any particular love for the SA80A2. Those who must carry and depend upon that rifle with their lives are not fools and have been very vocal about the many shortcomings of the SA80. Nonetheless, its retention is a political decision - not grounds to ridicule nor doubt the qualities of those who wear the British uniform.
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Why is it then being marketed to non military end users for the same inflated price? I'm sure Colt or many others can produce something just as good for less.
