Future of semi auto shotguns in Canada

The OP has asked a legitimate question; its one that I've heard discussed many times in a variety of places. Its something that is clearly on the minds of gun owners, whether talking shotguns or rifles.

Personally, I don't believe semi-auto shotguns are on the government's hit list (yet). But handguns obviously are, which is why our current government has motivated me to finally get off my butt and take my RPAL course last weekend.

I got did of my handguns about 22 years a go. The reason? The paperwork and rules (too easy to get in trouble inadvertently) Also, Crétin was in power, and I was convinced he was coming after our black guns and handguns. Well, I could still be enjoying them if I hadn't. I would even be grandfathered for prohib.
 
They need the "I have no problem with..." crowd to advance the agenda.

Offer up nothing and be prepared for them to legislate something you have a problem with. It’ll take a while to change back and on this topic, it won’t be completely reversed if it ever is dealt with again.
I’m already restricted to 2 in my magazine for Waterfowl. By permanently restricting a shotgun to 3 shots from 5, capacity is reduced by 40% and retains 100% of what is regulated for Waterfowling. Maybe deer hunters can’t get by with 3 shots, maybe they can.
I’ve only been shooting for just over 50 years, sorry that Fudds like me are screwing eveything up....





They need the "I have no problem with..." crowd to advance the agenda.
 
Offer up nothing and be prepared for them to legislate something you have a problem with. It’ll take a while to change back and on this topic, it won’t be completely reversed if it ever is dealt with again.
I’m already restricted to 2 in my magazine for Waterfowl. By permanently restricting a shotgun to 3 shots from 5, capacity is reduced by 40% and retains 100% of what is regulated for Waterfowling. Maybe deer hunters can’t get by with 3 shots, maybe they can.
I’ve only been shooting for just over 50 years, sorry that Fudds like me are screwing eveything up....


"Offer?"

Why are you so eager to implement more restrictions that will accomplish nothing?
 
One has to wonder what the endgame is?

Surely the elites/UN/ TPTB are planning something huge, or know something. Why is the UN Pushing for civil disarmament? It's obviously not about making the world safer, it's 100% about control.

The intellegence level of the average human boggles my mind... People are so FKKin stoopid, they actually believe that making more laws is the answer. Somehow these criminals who commit gun crime will now obey the law??????????

it makes me sick, that these 'people' are our leaders... Shame on you.

Nothing better than getting the citizens to turn on themselves right? They fall right in line with hardly an effort at all. A few of them even posted in this thread....
 
Clark,
“offer up” can be any solution, not just gun restrictions.
It was mentioned here semi shotguns could be included in any legislation, an argument to not to have them included is better made before it happens.
I’ll take loading my firearm more often over losing it any day....if that’s what it comes down to.
 
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I wouldn't object to my semi-auto hunting guns being permanently restricted to 2 in the magazine like Scotland (and I'm assuming Great Britain too).

Yah, me too.
The crime stats on duck hunters and skeet shooters going ape sh!t and committing mass shootings are pretty scary.:rolleyes:

At least "I wouldn't object to" is a change from the quintessential compromised phrase "I'm OK with".

A silly thought: How about locking the bangers that are actually doing the shootings up in jail?
 
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Offer up nothing and be prepared for them to legislate something you have a problem with. It’ll take a while to change back and on this topic, it won’t be completely reversed if it ever is dealt with again.
I’m already restricted to 2 in my magazine for Waterfowl. By permanently restricting a shotgun to 3 shots from 5, capacity is reduced by 40% and retains 100% of what is regulated for Waterfowling. Maybe deer hunters can’t get by with 3 shots, maybe they can.
I’ve only been shooting for just over 50 years, sorry that Fudds like me are screwing eveything up....

You should be.

Appeasement never works.
It encourages the grabbers to ask for more.
 
Offer up nothing and be prepared for them to legislate something you have a problem with. It’ll take a while to change back and on this topic, it won’t be completely reversed if it ever is dealt with again.
I’m already restricted to 2 in my magazine for Waterfowl. By permanently restricting a shotgun to 3 shots from 5, capacity is reduced by 40% and retains 100% of what is regulated for Waterfowling. Maybe deer hunters can’t get by with 3 shots, maybe they can.
I’ve only been shooting for just over 50 years, sorry that Fudds like me are screwing eveything up....

So who's guns are you offering up to protect yours? Mine?
 
The less the government, it's agencies and bureaucrats know about your business and personal possessions the better.
They're going to be trying every scam, intimidation, bait and switch tactic imaginable to flush out privately owned guns in the near future.

Central storage = registration = confiscation
 
Offer up nothing and be prepared for them to legislate something you have a problem with. It’ll take a while to change back and on this topic, it won’t be completely reversed if it ever is dealt with again.
I’m already restricted to 2 in my magazine for Waterfowl. By permanently restricting a shotgun to 3 shots from 5, capacity is reduced by 40% and retains 100% of what is regulated for Waterfowling. Maybe deer hunters can’t get by with 3 shots, maybe they can.
I’ve only been shooting for just over 50 years, sorry that Fudds like me are screwing eveything up....

That’s the mentality that’s the problem in the firearms community, people like you are willing to throw the rest of us under the bus because it won’t affect you that much. It’s ####ing sad that some guys with years in the game would say who cares about the rest of us when it’s the younger crowd that would stand up for your rights to own and shoot anything you would want, it’s pathetic really.
 
The title of the thread was if semi auto shotguns would be included in any legislation.
All I said was hunting shotguns could be exempt by making them capacity limited to what they are already regulated. Will tactical type guns get restricted to ranges as the original poster queried? I don’t know. I don’t shoot them. My original post was aimed at hunting semi shotguns as that is how I read the post. Wasn’t intending to “throw anyone under the bus”, was suggesting a way to keep them out of legislation.
I’ve been to many council meetings and spoke to keep areas open to shooting and hunting, even if not in my personal shooting area. Areas where guys shoot up tv’s, refrigerators, toilets...., left big messes out there. And we’ve had success keeping them open . But I’ll also tell you politicians want to do something, anything good or bad if it makes them look like they are doing something that’s favourable to them. They want votes!
We’re all under the bus, politicians aren’t going to pull us out without some sort of compromise. Liberals are in trouble and think any gun legislation will get them votes so they’ll push it through. If we are fortunate enough to elect a government that will repeal the legislation, be prepared for compromise....
 
The original poster queried if semi auto shotguns would be included in "assault rifle" legislation. Semi shotguns included in AR legislation would be like (in your terms), getting thrown under the bus too. And that would really effect me!
I'm not pathetic, no need to be sad. I do stand up for everyones rights, we all shoot different disciplines but have the same passion for whatever area of shooting we are into. I've spoken at meetings to keep areas open to shooting as mentioned in my other post. I totally understand the anti's divide and conquer strategy.
Having more guns included in any legislation will make it complicated to work out. The gov't will use compromises on some issues to get others through, or at least get user groups to sell out other groups (as you stated) to keep some things they want left in.


That’s the mentality that’s the problem in the firearms community, people like you are willing to throw the rest of us under the bus because it won’t affect you that much. It’s ####ing sad that some guys with years in the game would say who cares about the rest of us when it’s the younger crowd that would stand up for your rights to own and shoot anything you would want, it’s pathetic really.
 
I shot Clays in Perth Australia in 2010. At the time I had been using a Beretta 391 PT, guy at the gun club said he had one to lend me but it was set up for left handed so I passed. He did say it had the magazine fixed so the gun only shot 2 shots including the one in the chamber. At that time the only spot to hunt waterfowl in Australia was in the Melbourne area, I don't know what the shuttle capacity was for that.
At West Australian Gun Club I entered a walk in vault that had at least 30 O/U Beretta shotguns and selected one for the weekend. Great facility, and shooters were very much like shooters around the places I've shot in North America.
A fellow in my squad owned a gun store which I later visited. He sold rifles and shotguns, he would order a handgun for anyone who wanted one but it was too big a headache for him to have them around (paperwork and low sales). At that time he told me if anyone wanted to purchase a firearm, they had to apply at the police station and it took 28 days to get the permit. Belonging to a club was also a pre-requisite.
He also stated that during the gun buy-back from the gov't, a lot of guys turned in older or unwanted guns and used the money to buy a new gun.

A fellow I hunted ducks with this year is from Scotland. He said he has his guns certified each year, they come to his house and check for modifications. His pumps and semi auto shotguns have been fixed to limit a 2 shell magazine capacity.
I wouldn't object to my semi-auto hunting guns being permanently restricted to 2 in the magazine like Scotland (and I'm assuming Great Britain too) if it allows Waterfowlers and other semi-Auto shotgunners to continue to use them.

My Canadian song:
Keep it over there...
Keep it over there....
Keep it over there Lord!
Keep it over THERE!!
 
That’s the mentality that’s the problem in the firearms community, people like you are willing to throw the rest of us under the bus because it won’t affect you that much. It’s ####ing sad that some guys with years in the game would say who cares about the rest of us when it’s the younger crowd that would stand up for your rights to own and shoot anything you would want, it’s pathetic really.


That is quite a statement. Not sure what it is based on however
Too bad it is not the younger guys that own 75% of the firearms in canada , been in this fight for many years already and support the gun orgs. At least here it is the old guys with the 100's each to lose not the young guys
I wonder who really stands up when the wall comes. Those that have the most to lose or ???

Lets see in Nova Scotia the average age of a hunter buying a big game licence is now over 50 and we will lose 1/3 of theses hunter when the baby boomers turn 65 in 10 years it is said
I am not seeing these young guys back filling here that is for sure or gobbling up the guns when we die or can no longer use them
Few seem to like bluing and wood and sadly NONE have a prohib licence :(

Cheers
 
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That’s the mentality that’s the problem in the firearms community, people like you are willing to throw the rest of us under the bus because it won’t affect you that much. It’s ####ing sad that some guys with years in the game would say who cares about the rest of us when it’s the younger crowd that would stand up for your rights to own and shoot anything you would want, it’s pathetic really.

I know both young and old shooters that would gladly throw everyone under the bus, as long as their firearms are left alone. I know several younger firearms owners that have no issue with a long gun registry. I personally don't own any of the tactical style firearms, but I will fight for everyone being able to own and use them, because I realize, that once this style of firearms are banned, the anti gun crowd will go after the hunting firearms next.
 
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