8mm Mauser weird shape soft point?

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Hey Guys;

First time seeing a ‘stepped’ soft point projectile like this Sellier & Bellot.

Anyone shot any of this stuff? It looks great & think I should have bought more, lol!

Cheers
Jay

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My son used these in .308 for caribou hunting, very successfully. I sold .308, .30-06, 8mm. All feedback was very positive.
 
Its S&Bs knockoff of the RWS TIG, and is an ok round. Not sure if they are bonding the core now,but they didnt used to. They are not as well produced as the RWS bullets with a bonded core, and while I found some of their stuff was loaded hotter than American loads, overall I havent been thrilled with it, or their SPCE. Still, for the price its usually not bad, and by that I mean usually half the price of a box of RWS.
 
Curious to know the scientific thoughts as to what them steps in the bullet
do to increase performance?

Stabilize the bullet more readily?
 
shoot a big log with it and see what happens....I worry they are actually too potent for deer though would be no doubt effective. This is my #1 choice for accurate round in my mausers somehow it matches the iron sights perfectly. I buy these round anytime I see them and can afford them.


Soft Point Cutting Edge.... I think the theory is that the round will better penetrate bone and tissue before crumping up like a typical spitzer round. I believe this would make a great large game round of Elk size and up though like I said after seeing what it does to a log I carry a lighter calibre for deer. I carry these round and a mauser for moose though I trust it 100% Only thing is the tag system that kept myself and my hunting buddies from having anything but non-fillable calf tags since I started hunting....
 
kamlooky said:
Curious to know the scientific thoughts as to what them steps in the bullet
do to increase performance?

Stabilize the bullet more readily?
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From the RWS website:
RWS UNI CLASSIC at a glance:
hunting ammunition for hunting heavy game in the calibre# .30 R Blaser, .300 Win. Mag., .30-06, .308 Win., 9,3 x 62, 9,3 x 74 R, .375 H&H Mag. und 9,3 x 64
Softer tip-core for controlled fragmentation and high effectiveness
Sharp edge for cutting of hair at point of impact
Nickel-plated steel jacket for increased barrel life
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Jay said:
The tip certainly is, but going into the casing the diameter is correct. Weird to see a stepped projectile 'eh?

Cheers
Jay
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Yeah the part going into the case is the grove diameter id assume. I dont think any part of it is the bore diameter replying to ganderites post.

But yes i agree is seems odd and ive personally never seen any bullets like that. Seems if it was an ideal design more would make bullets that look similer though.

Neat for sure! Almost looks like a 7mm mauser bullet with the base blown out to .323
 
kamlooky said:
Curious to know the scientific thoughts as to what them steps in the bullet
do to increase performance?

Stabilize the bullet more readily?
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The original Brenneke (RWS/RUAG) projectiles are two part cores, the base is harder, and the nose softer, the smaller nose mushrooms and cuts a clean hole on the critter, the base stays solid. The Brenneke rounds go back to the old Dynamit-Nobel days, around world war 1, and TIGs/TUGs were/are the benchmark of european bullet designs for hunting. S&B 'paid tribute' (lets say) to a shape most european hunters would know immediately, and started making these back in the day (I have some old PS rounds [even posted them here last year] from the 60s that likewise are the same look). Thier quality as a bullet is basic, monolithic lead core, no fusing etc. It would be wrong to say S&B is ripping off a time tested, well known bullet design, that has been around 100 years, so I wont. They may look similar, but arent.
The S&B stuff, like i said, is cheaper than RWS, by at least 50% if you shop around, and is decent enough.
 
The parallel sides of the S&B cutting edge bullet, like the RWS TIG / TUG bullets are a very good aid to accuracy when shot in the long throats that are factory spec for European cartridges like the 7x64. I like them and use them in the 7x64, 7x57, 7x57R and 8x57IS. Haven't tried them in my 9.3's yet but that's on the to do list. S&B use a mild steel jacket plated with what looks like copper. RWS use steel jackets too, but what looks like nickel plated. The jacket material is not particularly strong, and it tends to tear or rupture. So heavy for caliber bullet weights seem to be indicated and do perform reliably for me in these cartridges - 173 g. 7mm, and 196 gr. 8mm. It's interesting that while hunting in Germany I became aware of the importance that German hunters put on the bullet cutting hair at impact, to give a hunter clear evidence of a hit and to help blood tracking. No such feature has ever been mentioned in a North American bullet to my knowledge.
 
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one other note on those bullets, S&B load 8x57IS ammunition to European CIP pressure standards. Their ammunition is much more powerful than Rem/Win/Fed "8mm Mauser" ammunition. Compare a 170 gr. RN bullet in those at 2300 fps vs the heavier, and faster S&B Cutting Edge 196gr. bullet at 2500 fps. It's like two different cartridges. Or a deer rifle vs a moose / bear rifle.
 
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Ha! Lung parts hanging from the bushes are an excellent tracking aid, and tracking is always short when that happens! But if one isn't so fortunate any clue helps. German and Czech hunters seem especially motivated not to leave any wounded game unrecovered. They always have blood tracking dogs available to help the effort too. A clean cut hole in a critters hide not only leaves hair on the ground at the impact site, it also lets more blood leak out for additional visual / scent clues that help tracking. I think the design of these bullets has some practical merit, even though the advantage is very small.
 
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