Kel-Tec RBD thoughts?

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Hi Everyone,

I finally took the jump and got into some precision shooting. I picked up a .308 which I love but I want something more cost effective to practice and get comfortable with (only shoot shotguns & bows my whole
Life) so looking down a scope and etc is still very foreign.

I was going to go with a .22lr boot action setup to just mess around with at low cost. The range in a member at does have up to 300 yards. Would the Kel-Tec RBD be a good fit for some cost effective 100-300 yard shooting ?

I’m still fairly new to this and I don’t know anyone else who actively target shoots. TIA
 
I'll not sure it will make a good target rifle. I've had bad experience with some Kel Tec, but I'm also coming around to them after seeing the build quality on new generation rfb, rdb and ksg from the last few years. I'm considering getting one, so I'm interested in qualified opinions here too.
 
I’ve heard mixed stuff but from what I’ve seen on YouTube it sounds awesome. .223 is def way cheaper too so who knows. Looks like a nightmare to take apart and clean though.
 
Hi Everyone,

I finally took the jump and got into some precision shooting. I picked up a .308 which I love but I want something more cost effective to practice and get comfortable with (only shoot shotguns & bows my whole
Life) so looking down a scope and etc is still very foreign.

I was going to go with a .22lr boot action setup to just mess around with at low cost. The range in a member at does have up to 300 yards. Would the Kel-Tec RBD be a good fit for some cost effective 100-300 yard shooting ?

I’m still fairly new to this and I don’t know anyone else who actively target shoots. TIA

I don't own an RDB, but it does look like a compact, interesting and fun rifle. .22LR would likely be your most cost effective option and there are tons of choices, but it would be a lot more challenging beyond 100 yards. The RDB in .223 will be more cost effective than .308 for sure, but if you want to focus on tight groups, at longer ranges, you might be better served by another style of rifle. Hopefully you can get some feedback from some RDB owners.
 
RDB isn't exactly cost effective, but if may fit what you're looking for (as long as you're not looking for bench shooting target for tight groups). I decided to take the plunge, but I'm not looking for a target rifle - I am looking at 100-300 yard shooting for practical accuracy.
 
I've had RBD and was very happy about it (though I generally dislike bullpups)
- extremely simple design and easy to take down,
- easy to clean as it's a) piston driven and b) ease of access to all parts
- pleasure to shoot
- haven't tested accuracy, only shot short distances

Things to consider:
- it's not a "military" design, but a sporting rifle, so in theoretical critical scenarios I would not rely on it
- if you get FTF/double feed it will take some efforts to clear, you might need to take-down the rifle depending how bad is FTF. Bullpups are not the best in this area
- gas adjustment system needs to be tuned, tune up until reliable extraction and feeding and then crank it up one or two notches up (don't remember exactly). While doing this you'll be dealing with FTF/double feeds. But when you done - it works just fine with factory and reloads I fed to it. Not a single FTF/double feed.
- the only "design" issue ppl were complaining is that you need to tighten screws or even locktite them (I didn't have to, but I owned it for limited period of time), otherwise build quality is good.
 
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RDB isn't exactly cost effective, but if may fit what you're looking for (as long as you're not looking for bench shooting target for tight groups). I decided to take the plunge, but I'm not looking for a target rifle - I am looking at 100-300 yard shooting for practical accuracy.

Let us know what's your experience once you get some time with it!
 
I too am considering purchasing one, I've spent the last 5 years using the SA80 and really am quite a bullpup fan. Frankly paying $2400 for a X95 is beyond me as I want something that does better than 3MOA for the money.
 
I too am considering purchasing one, I've spent the last 5 years using the SA80 and really am quite a bullpup fan. Frankly paying $2400 for a X95 is beyond me as I want something that does better than 3MOA for the money.

I'm going to pick one up whenever they're back in stock. As much as I like the AUG, it'll never happen in Canada, and I don't think that ATRAX / Lithgow version is going to hit the shelves anytime soon. Also I agree ^^^- $2400 for a 3moa rifle is too rich for my blood. Yes, the RDB has some compromises to reach their price point, but I think in this current market, with the dollar where it is, it's a pretty reasonable price for a complete NR rifle, especially considering it's only a few hundred dollars more than a Gen2 T97.
 
I've been in touch with Vault and apparently their KT shipment hasn't landed yet, and they've been out of stock for some time. They told me that they are aware of grey market KelTec firearms. Basically, if the store didn't buy them from Vault, they don't have a warranty. So I'd check with your store.
 
I'm going to pick one up whenever they're back in stock. As much as I like the AUG, it'll never happen in Canada, and I don't think that ATRAX / Lithgow version is going to hit the shelves anytime soon. Also I agree ^^^- $2400 for a 3moa rifle is too rich for my blood. Yes, the RDB has some compromises to reach their price point, but I think in this current market, with the dollar where it is, it's a pretty reasonable price for a complete NR rifle, especially considering it's only a few hundred dollars more than a Gen2 T97.

I think the X95 has made it's own compromises too. I assume in order to gain all of it's functions some compromises were made that impacted accuracy. in the end the Israelis got a very compact rifle that is perfectly good out to 200m which in an Urban environment is more than enough.

That being said when I can drop $1000 on a WK180C that does 1.5 - 2moa ammo dependent I can put a $400 optic on it and still end up with $1000 to drop on ammo. It's a no brainer.
 
If you bought a 308 bolt action for target shooting and want another rifle that's a little cheaper to shoot/practice with why would you be looking for a rifle like an RDB? For the cost of an RDB you can have a nice 223 bolt action with decent glass that will shoot smaller groups than an RDB any day of the week. Plus, once you buy the RDB for $1500 you still need to buy it an optic which pushes you over the $2000 mark if you want anything at all decent. So is this really about buying something cheaper to shoot or is it just an excuse to buy a fun rifle? If it's to save money you're not saving money in any category, but if it's just an excuse to buy a fun rifle then I completely get it but don't try to fool yourself into thinking you're going to save money shooting a 223 semi auto because the rounds are cheaper. A semi auto gets hungry and can go through a lot of ammo very quickly.

Bullpup rifles are not great bench rifles, due to their short length and weird shapes they are hard to shoot consistently from a table, they do however excel at shooting standing unsupported and shooting while moving thanks to their weight balance. Shooting an RDB is not going to be any sort of practice for your 308, ergonomics are completely different and the trigger will also be entirely different.

Don't buy a non restricted semi auto bullpup for target shooting. I'm not going to call anyone a liar but very very few factory built non restricted semi autos actually shoot 1 moa or better with any ammo no matter what anyone claims their rifle will do unless we're talking about a once a day lucky group.

I've owned or at least shot most of the non restricted semi 223's we're allowed to buy and other than the HK SL8 which was just barely 1 moa with match grade factory loads or tailored handloads none of them would consistently shoot 1 moa or better. The HK is definitely the most accurate factory built semi auto 223 we have access to. Custom barrels will get others there (like the Bushmaster ACR) but consistent 1 moa is not what you should expect with any of the rifles we can buy.

This is not a flaw in the rifle and it doesn't make them overpriced, you're not paying for the accuracy, you're paying for the engineering and materials that went into developing a rifle designed originally to be a battle rifle but made for the civilian market.
If you want something consistently accurate you need to spend a lot more on a barrel than any manufacturer throws into their rifles.

For me when someone claims their rifle is a sub moa shooter I expect that to mean that it can shoot 1 moa or better all day every day, not just one lucky group every once in a while. Consistent 1 moa is rare, if you want proof of this check out the "my rifle can shoot 1 moa all day" challenges that are posted in the sticky section, you won't find many factory barreled rifles in the winners column.

Edit,
Must not have been enough entries to warrant it being a sticky, have to search back a few pages to find it in this section of the forum, used to be at the top.

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I went 40 pages back in this forum and 10 pages in the main battle rifles and couldn't find the threads I was thinking of. Here is one of the challenges from the precision forum. This one is a 1/2 moa challenge but I'm sure we used to have a 1 moa challenge in this forum.
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/for...uot-groups-100-yards-all-day!-Really-Prove-it
Have a look through and see if any semis are in there.

Don't get me wrong, I'm in no way trying to discourage you from buying a semi or an RDB, just saying that if you're doing it for the reasons you posted in the first post then you are looking at the wrong rifle. If on the other hand you like the looks of the RDB and just want a fun 223 semi then go for it. You're not buying a target rifle with the RDB and if that's what you want you will be disappointed. Everything I've read so far about the RDB tells me it produces decent accuracy for the type of rifle which is more than accurate enough for varmint/predator hunting and general fun but you won't be sitting at the bench practicing trigger control squeezing off tiny groups all afternoon.



I think the X95 has made it's own compromises too. I assume in order to gain all of it's functions some compromises were made that impacted accuracy. in the end the Israelis got a very compact rifle that is perfectly good out to 200m which in an Urban environment is more than enough.

That being said when I can drop $1000 on a WK180C that does 1.5 - 2moa ammo dependent I can put a $400 optic on it and still end up with $1000 to drop on ammo. It's a no brainer.

There were no compromises, it's a $200 rack grade barrel in a platform that uses the barrel as the "backbone" of the rifle with all components hanging from it.
The design is battle rifle which brings with it a requirement for 4 moa or better. It does exactly what it was designed to do which is to operate reliably in any situation.

The difference between the WK180 and the X95 is that the WK180 is an entry level toy and the X95 is a proven battle rifle that is built by an established company known for making quality firearms that work 99.9% of the time. Your WK180 will probably only last 10000-15000 rounds before it's in need of major repairs/ parts replacement while the X95 will just keep truckin along probably needing only a couple springs and maybe a new barrel after 20000+ rounds.

For the budget limited buyer, new buyers, or really anyone who isn't going to be putting thousands and thousands of rounds through it the WK is a fine rifle for every day plinking and general fun but if you're serious about firearms and want something that will last, and if you're someone who wants to know that parts support will still be there in a few years you spend a little more money up front to buy the proven platform from the established company.
 
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