Hunter orange

Flourescent orange will not protect you. That notion is BS!

Ever see a man walking in the distance, against the skyline in low light? It's just a black shape.

Best way to be safe is to carry a BRIGHT FLASHLIGHT, when in low light, to/from your hunting area.

Next best thing is to not be seen at all. CAMOFLAGE.


But you gotta obey the dumb-ass law, so just wear the dumb-ass orange...
 
walksalot said:
Blaze orange in my opinion should not be mandatory but a pair of binoculars should be. Unless it is a no brainer the binos always go up before the rifle.
I hunt some very thick bush where 75 yards is a long shot and binos are a must in my books. The binos help pick out parts of an animal. A branch of a tree turned out to be an antler many times and the only way I knew this was because I had binoculars. Hell, most of my animals have been shot at an average of fifty yards. My son has a friend he got into hunting and told him I would not take him out with us if he didn't have a pair of binoculars.
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So you need bino's to pick out a antler or movement in the brush, do you need them to identify what your going to shoot at?? Remind me not to hunt with you!! I'm quite happy to sit & wait for that antler or movment or whatever it is to be completely visible before I even think about lifting my gun, I don't need to check out an antler?? It's either going to become a visible game animal or not!
If you need bino's at 75' to identify your target before shooting perhaps a little patience is in order.
 
Mumptia said:
Agreed Gate,

But we are the only ones carrying guns.
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why does carrying a gun make it any different then a birdwatcher..... frankly it is not me wearing the orange going to get shot, its going to be the birdwacher wearing normal clothes that is.

gates point was why are we singled out to have to wear orange, we are the shooters, not the targets ;)
 
Westicle said:
so in other words HUMAN ERROR.... some idiot that did not identify his target.
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Exactly .... the human error of failing to ID the target!

So why not help the poor fool properly ID the target by wearing a more visible colour? Didn't your mother ever tell you to wear bright/white colours at night so drivers could see you better? Same thing. :)



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so in other words HUMAN ERROR.... some idiot that did not identify his target.


SuperCub said:
Exactly .... the human error of failing to ID the target!

So why not help the poor fool properly ID the target by wearing a more visible colour? Didn't your mother ever tell you to wear bright/white colours at night so drivers could see you better? Same thing. :)

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!!!!!!!!!BINGO !!!!!!!!
 
senior said:
So you need bino's to pick out a antler or movement in the brush, do you need them to identify what your going to shoot at?? Remind me not to hunt with you!! I'm quite happy to sit & wait for that antler or movment or whatever it is to be completely visible before I even think about lifting my gun, I don't need to check out an antler?? It's either going to become a visible game animal or not!
If you need bino's at 75' to identify your target before shooting perhaps a little patience is in order.
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If I see movement in the bush I never put my rifle up first. The binoculars go up first to identify what made the movement. To use ones scope to identify movement is not a good practice at all.
The majority of the time I see the animal before it sees me. As I purposefully wander through the woods I stop and use the binoculars to scan the surrounding area looking for not necessarily the whole animal but a piece of an animal, an ear or an antler. Once the animal is located then it's a waiting game until the animal presents a quality shot. It's called stalking skills.

Back to the original theme of the tread, the use of red. In my opinion, the hunter who is accidentally shot is the result of a hunter who is so pumped about shooting an animal that, in his/her mind, at that point in time they really believe they are looking at an animal. They are oblivious to color or form. It is a state of mind which can have tragic consequences. I have hammered this message into my son's head. IF YOU SEE OR HEAR MOVEMENT IN THE BUSH UNTIL YOU CAN POSITIVELY IDENTIFY IT IS AN ANIMAL YOU ALWAYS SUSPECT IT IS ANOTHER HUNTER.
 
Gatehouse said:
Eagleye, good point, there was a (significant) drop in accidents after the CORE (hunter Ed) program got started.

The last BC hunter I heard getting shot (IIRC) was a a hunter that shot him(her?) self or partner, while getting a loaded shotgun from the back of the truck. Orange wouldn't have helped here, but paying attention to safety rules would have. It was several years ago, so memory is a bit hazy.
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When taking a course at AHEIA, I was told the exact same of Alberta by Bob Gruz??(spelling). Once the hunter ed course became mandatory, accidents plummeted.
 
SuperCub said:
The dislike for orange and seatbelts is of the same nature. They both work, save lives, and do what they are intended to do, but many just don't like to be told to wear them and dislike them for that reason only, no matter what the stats say.
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There is no evidence that orange saves lives or not in BC, for 2 reasons:

Orange has never been a requirement in BC

The amount of BC Hunters that get shot through mistaken identity is virtually zero.

I dislike being told to do (wear) something when it has no good reason, based on stats.

Orange may save lives in some areas, in some circumstances. Doing drives is probably an example of this.

Orange doesn't appear to do anything for safety in many other circumstances.
 
I agreee Gatehouse. In Saskatchewan, where pushing bush is common, and hunter density in some areas is high, Orange AIDS in identifying hunters.
When pushing bush, running shots are the norm. This method of hunting has more hazards than glassing cut lines, but it is very common in Saskatchewan.
 
SuperCub said:
Nice pics Dave. :rolleyes:

Everybody knows you can't see the hunters in those pics, cuz they are perfectly camouflaged and in tune with their surroundings with their BLAZE ORANGE garb. :rockOn:


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In Daves pic's, camouflaged in 'BLAZE ORANGE' or wearing 'CAMO' in thicker brush or timber conditions, what's the difference? Visibility or high visibility isn't the problem, or the 'cure'.
Education is more the solution.
 
Gatehouse said:
The point is that we aren't mistakenly shooting each other to any great degree now, so it's unlikely to enhance safety to any great degree, so all it would do is annoy people and CO's who would have to enforce the rules.
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Your point is probably correct, that the orange is not really needed, however it is the law here, and we wear it to avoid paying a $120 fine everyday of the season we hunt without it. Cuz' you know if you get charged, the CO will be back tomorrow.:rolleyes:
 
SuperCub said:
No one argues mandated, proper, safe storage of firearms isn't a good law and will reduce needless accidents. Now this is a better comparison to mandated blaze orange.

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I'd argue that!

Safe storage laws are NOT good laws. Safe storage laws are mostly used to charge people that have had thier guns stolen, or charge people when there is no real safety concern.

The laws rarely make anything "safer"
 
Gatehouse said:
Safe storage laws are NOT good laws. Safe storage laws are mostly used to charge people that have had thier guns stolen, or charge people when there is no real safety concern.

The laws rarely make anything "safer"
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I can't believe you said that! Classic tin foil hat reasoning.

Proper, locked storage is about the most common sense firearms law there is, right up there with proper training, or is training on your black list as well. :rolleyes:

Let's face it ........... you just don't like to be told what to do. ;)


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Quite a number of misconceptions floating here...
Ontario was the first province to have mandatory Hunter education in Canada! And all the other provinces used it as the model.
Stating that there are no accidents just because there are no statistics for an area is quite misleading. That is like saying there are no accidents if I just close my eyes.
I hate wearing Hunter Orange too... I am a full camo believer and I get very close to my game!
I am Bear Hunting next week and I will wear my orange into my hunting site and take it off in my stand. Bears do see color very well like humans!
I am not advocating the use of Hunter Orange in BC... ther is no need to wear orange when hunting from the cab of a pickup truck!
That last shot was sposed to be humorous....;):canadaFlag:
 
BIGREDD said:
I am not advocating the use of Hunter Orange in BC... ther is no need to wear orange when hunting from the cab of a pickup truck!
That last shot was sposed to be humorous....;):canadaFlag:
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Well then, maybe BC should mandate the painting of all pick-up trucks to be BLAZE ORANGE.

I'm serious.

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Welcome to BC, where hiding from your fellow hunters is a safe idea, as many use their rifle scopes in place of binoculars. :rolleyes:

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For the record Blaze Orange does help, but the sad truth is both figures above would prob' get scoped.
 
I suggest some of you guys out west should see what hunting conditions are like here, especially souther Ontario. You have the luxury of being able to walk for days without seeing another human being. When hunting in a highly populated area it makes sence to wear hunter orange. The area that I hunt you can have up to 20 people per 1000 acres( my guess, probably is more) . Seeing dummies with orange makes it real easy in setting up your shooting lanes. With so many small properties, it is quite easy to be sitting within 50 yards of each other and not knowing it. This is mainly because you may not be permitted to scout the neighbours farm to see where people have their stands. Even our quasie north is getting so populated that you are GUARENTEED to run into at least a few people while out hunting in the middle of "NO_WHERE".

You guys are lucky, yes I said it. Be happy you dont have to where it, but understand some areas it makes sence to wear it.
 
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