6.5 Creedmore

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Good Day .
Just getting into the 6.5 Creedmore craze .
Looked at my "old" reloading manual and see that the calibre is not listed in there .
Has anyone got any info on handloading this round lol .
Just throw some stuff at me and I'll try it once I get the rifle .
Its a good ole Remington 700 series
 
H414, H4350, H4831sc, IMR 4350, IMR 4451, IMR 4955, RL16, RL17, RL19, RL22, RL26, Win760, Ramshot BigGame, Ramshot Hunter

Lots of data on Hodgdon, Ramshot, and Alliant's websites
 
Use H4350,
I've tried Varget, Hybrid 100V, and IMR 4451. H4350 was by far the most accurate of them all in both rifles and it's also very temp stable.

Buy a new manual or two, costs the same as a pound of powder.

Unless your planning to shoot past 600 yards regularly you will see no advantage over shooting a 308win which can do anything a 6.5 Creedmoor can do inside 800 yards with a few more clicks of elevation.
 
todbartell said:
30% less wind deflection
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According to my balistic calculator a 6.5cm with 140gr SMK at 500 yards with a 10mph cross wind at 90 degrees needs 3.3moa correction. 308 win with 168gr BTHP at 500 yards with 10mph cross wind at 90 degrees needs 4moa of correction.

Is 0.7moa really that much difference at 500 yards? You can reduce the 308 wind drift going with heavier/lower BC projectiles. Especially when a 168gr is just mid weight for a 308 and one could easily shoot a 175-190gr to buck the wind better.

I love my 6.5's and think it's a great cartridge but inside 600 yards there is nothing I can do with it that someone at the table beside me couldn't do with a 308 with a couple more clicks of correction.

If a guy was starting out and didn't already have a 308 I say go for the 6.5 but if someone is already shooting a quality 308 it's not worth changing over unless 800+ yards was on the menu on a regular basis. Or if someone was competing and first shot hits got you more points sure.
But for the average guy going to the range who's bored at 100 yards and wants to try shooting 500 yards it is not going to make much difference other than 6.5 is less common in stores than 308, and 308 has a lot more factory options for ammo if you're not a handloader (I know, we're in the reloading section so chances are good we all reload).

Only other reason I would suggest a switch is if someone was a little sensitive to recoil, the 6.5 has noticeably less recoil.

I do support guys buying a 6.5cm but they should do it for the right reasons, not because some guys said it's more accurate. It is not more accurate, it's faster and flatter so it requires less correction, it also maintains supersonic further which is good if 1000+ yards is your goal. But inside 800 yards it's not a big deal. How many guys even have a place to shoot past 800 yards? Around here most ranges are only 300 yards so unless you own land or know a good spot a 6.5 is just something different, not really something better.

If you're a hunter the 308 is also a better choice, better selection of projectiles to suit hunting different animals over different terrain.
 
cr5 said:
According to my balistic calculator a 6.5cm with 140gr SMK at 500 yards with a 10mph cross wind at 90 degrees needs 3.3moa correction. 308 win with 168gr BTHP at 500 yards with 10mph cross wind at 90 degrees needs 4moa of correction.

Is 0.7moa really that much difference at 500 yards? You can reduce the 308 wind drift going with heavier/lower BC projectiles. Especially when a 168gr is just mid weight for a 308 and one could easily shoot a 175-190gr to buck the wind better.

I love my 6.5's and think it's a great cartridge but inside 600 yards there is nothing I can do with it that someone at the table beside me couldn't do with a 308 with a couple more clicks of correction.

If a guy was starting out and didn't already have a 308 I say go for the 6.5 but if someone is already shooting a quality 308 it's not worth changing over unless 800+ yards was on the menu on a regular basis. Or if someone was competing and first shot hits got you more points sure.
But for the average guy going to the range who's bored at 100 yards and wants to try shooting 500 yards it is not going to make much difference other than 6.5 is less common in stores than 308, and 308 has a lot more factory options for ammo if you're not a handloader (I know, we're in the reloading section so chances are good we all reload).

Only other reason I would suggest a switch is if someone was a little sensitive to recoil, the 6.5 has noticeably less recoil.

I do support guys buying a 6.5cm but they should do it for the right reasons, not because some guys said it's more accurate. It is not more accurate, it's faster and flatter so it requires less correction, it also maintains supersonic further which is good if 1000+ yards is your goal. But inside 800 yards it's not a big deal. How many guys even have a place to shoot past 800 yards? Around here most ranges are only 300 yards so unless you own land or know a good spot a 6.5 is just something different, not really something better.

If you're a hunter the 308 is also a better choice, better selection of projectiles to suit hunting different animals over different terrain.
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do you load your 308 with 175s? im curious about what velocity you can and do achive with this weight bullet in 308
 
remington jim said:
Quote Originally Posted by cr5 View Post
you will see no advantage over shooting a 308win which can do anything a 6.5 Creedmoor can do inside 800 yards with a few more clicks of elevation.

30% less wind deflection and less RECOIL ! I do have BOTH Cartridges ! RJ
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I also own both, inside 800 yards both cartridges can easily hit what you're aiming at, yes the Creedmoor is less affected by the wind and has a little less recoil but they can both do the job. All I'm saying is that if you're not going to be shooting past 600 yards regularly it's not really worth buying a 6.5CM if you already have a nice 308 that's performing well. If I had neither and was shopping for a precision rifle I'd buy a 6.5CM and not a 308.


Beater said:
do you load your 308 with 175s? im curious about what velocity you can and do achive with this weight bullet in 308
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I haven't loaded 175's for a long time, I'm currently only loading 308 for my two M14's and I load 150-168gr mostly for those.
I'd have to go back through my log book to see if I can find any old data from when I had 308 bolt actions.
 
todbartell said:
30% less wind deflection
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I shoot 1000 yards at Connaght almost weekly. I usually end up holding only 1/3 with a 6.5 than guys with 308. Last outing I was holding .3 mils for wind. 308 guys with 175 SMK were holding .9 mils. I'm shooting 140 ELDM.

That might not match what's on paper but is often the case for whatever reason. I dont usually end up holding more than half what you would with a 308 at that distance.

Something people dont think about is the 308 having that much more of an arc at longer distance. It travels higher up into the air where the wind is quite often stronger than you read 6 feet off the ground or using mirage as an indicator.
 
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Fun Thread!

I agree with most of what's being said and I also load both My Tikka bolt gun can get 2850 fps with a 155 scenar ... They shoot really well out to a 1000 yds. My Stag auto 6.5 cm I load to SAMI spec and so far accuracy, reliability and case volume get me 2600fps and pretty good results out to a 1000 yds.

I am interested to hear what the 6.5 guys are doing to get their velocities up there. I have heard that 2800 fps is a sweet spot for 6.5 cm?

One other note 308 is considerably cheaper to load than 6.5 :)
 
Use H4350 powder, 140 range bullets, Hornady brass or better. Usually accuracy nodes at 2690-2715 fps, 41-41.5 gr, and another node at 42-42.3 gr. 24" barrel, some rifles like mine get great accuracy at the 42 range but my rifle is on the edge pressure wise so I shoot the lower node. (2710) Also my brass is much happier at the lower node, and barrel life should be better as well.
 
Lead hammer said:
Use H4350 powder, 140 range bullets, Hornady brass or better. Usually accuracy nodes at 2690-2715 fps, 41-41.5 gr, and another node at 42-42.3 gr. 24" barrel, some rifles like mine get great accuracy at the 42 range but my rifle is on the edge pressure wise so I shoot the lower node. (2710) Also my brass is much happier at the lower node, and barrel life should be better as well.
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I run 2720 fps in Alpha brass. 2740 with Hornady brass. Plenty good for 1000 yards which is the farthest I really ever shoot. Getting up to 2800 in my 24" barrel is not going to happen with H4350 I doubt. Pushing 140's
 
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