First 1911...Maybe a Colt....?

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Hello,

I am considering a 1911....and rather find the older Colt Series 70/80 interesting for their history and style....I'm a Glock 20/21 guy and frankly have never even held/shot a Colt 1911 or any 1911.

Please any and all comments from an experienced shooters/owner/gunsmith point of view on this model?

Are they worth the $1200 that most folks are asking...(with box and Factory letter, etc..)?

Thanks all!
 
For a few hundred dollars more, get a Dan Wesson. They are much better if you are looking for a "buy once and be done" 1911.
 
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If you prefer Colt consider the series 70 or the Classic. They have the classic lines that are missing in the more modern Colts. Some gunsmiths will not work on the "modern cut" Colts.

The advantage of this model is that it's basic so if you decide to customize it later, it is the ideal raw material for a gunsmith to build on. With the temporary exportation services available to us, you can send to USA to access the best 1911 smiths in the world.

You can order from IRUNGUNS for about $1185 CAD.
 
Thanks for the kind responses gents....I guess what I am really looking for is "what are the 40+ year old' Series 70's like to shoot? Fun? Hard on the hands...? Accurate....or just a vault/conversation piece....I've owned and enjoyed Glock 20/21's....never ever held a 1911, let alone a Colt Series 70..!

Thx all!
 
I've been shooting Colt 1911's for over forty years. I do not find them hard on the hands, in fact they are probably easier on the hands than modern lighter weight pistols due to their weight. They are as accurate as any off-the-shelf pistol, and can certainly be 'accurized' as well as any pistol. Go ahead and scratch that itch, I don't think you'll be disappointed, just be aware it will not feel anything like your Glocks, it will feel like a ... 1911.
 
Thanks for the kind responses gents....I guess what I am really looking for is "what are the 40+ year old' Series 70's like to shoot? Fun? Hard on the hands...? Accurate....or just a vault/conversation piece....I've owned and enjoyed Glock 20/21's....never ever held a 1911, let alone a Colt Series 70..!

Thx all!

A 1911 can vary from a work of art to a rattly piece of crap and anything in between. The Series 70 Colts are prized because they don’t have the firing pin safety that supposedly ruins the trigger. I’ve never noticed a real difference. The old Colt bluing is very nice if you can find a pristine example. The Series 70 is around 50 yrs old after all. The stock sights are a little small compared to your modern Glock.

They are comfortable to shoot all day unless you have big beefy hands and you buy one with a spur hammer and the old, non- beaver tail grip safety. You must also remember to really take a good, high grip. If you don’t grip a 1911 properly and squeeze down on the grip safety, the gun won’t fire.

The take down and reassembly is my biggest gripe compared to a Glock. It is slower and can be frustrating. You also need to watch out for the famous “ idiot scratch” from reassembling the slide stop. YouTube is your friend.

The 1911 is renown for its grip angle. Some call it the perfect angle for a handgun. It also has the easiest trigger press as the trigger just goes straight back. However, they are quite gritty and heavy from the factory. Almost like a Glock but... different!

I find them finicky and not as reliable as the Glock. Ive never seen one go thru a competition without some kind of problem. But, boy, is a well tuned one a pleasure to shoot. They can be amazingly accurate and when properly tuned, the trigger is amazing.

Things I would change on a stock 1911 to make it feel better are:
Trigger job, throat the barrel and polish the feed ramp.
Good magazines ( very important!)
Change the sights. I like the Novak style and they look sharp on the gun.
Get an extended thumb safety ( ambi, if you want).
Change the hammer to a ring or Commander style.
Get a good beaver tail grip safety, then de-activate it!
You might want to flare the mag well or get a custom magwell which will make it easier on quick mag changes.

You will find that if you buy a stock Series 70 and do all the above work to it, you will have spent a lot of money and should maybe just buy a modern version instead! There’s a reason why 1911 collectors have so many of them!
 
A 1911 can vary from a work of art to a rattly piece of crap and anything in between. The Series 70 Colts are prized because they don’t have the firing pin safety that supposedly ruins the trigger. I’ve never noticed a real difference. The old Colt bluing is very nice if you can find a pristine example. The Series 70 is around 50 yrs old after all. The stock sights are a little small compared to your modern Glock.

They are comfortable to shoot all day unless you have big beefy hands and you buy one with a spur hammer and the old, non- beaver tail grip safety. You must also remember to really take a good, high grip. If you don’t grip a 1911 properly and squeeze down on the grip safety, the gun won’t fire.

The take down and reassembly is my biggest gripe compared to a Glock. It is slower and can be frustrating. You also need to watch out for the famous “ idiot scratch” from reassembling the slide stop. YouTube is your friend.

The 1911 is renown for its grip angle. Some call it the perfect angle for a handgun. It also has the easiest trigger press as the trigger just goes straight back. However, they are quite gritty and heavy from the factory. Almost like a Glock but... different!

I find them finicky and not as reliable as the Glock. Ive never seen one go thru a competition without some kind of problem. But, boy, is a well tuned one a pleasure to shoot. They can be amazingly accurate and when properly tuned, the trigger is amazing.

Things I would change on a stock 1911 to make it feel better are:
Trigger job, throat the barrel and polish the feed ramp.
Good magazines ( very important!)
Change the sights. I like the Novak style and they look sharp on the gun.
Get an extended thumb safety ( ambi, if you want).
Change the hammer to a ring or Commander style.
Get a good beaver tail grip safety, then de-activate it!
You might want to flare the mag well or get a custom magwell which will make it easier on quick mag changes.

You will find that if you buy a stock Series 70 and do all the above work to it, you will have spent a lot of money and should maybe just buy a modern version instead! There’s a reason why 1911 collectors have so many of them!

Great read >> thank you!
 
I bought a used Norinco copy for my first 1911, not finicky at all for a $350.00 pistol. The Norinco mags are very poor. The only time it gives a problem is with steel cased ammo, my son's S&W doesn't like steel case ammo either, won't buy any more. Last range time my 1911 had it went through 200 rounds of Western Munitions reloads without a stoppage. Had a chance to shoot a Sig 1911 copy, that was really nice. Haven't shot a Colt 1911 for many years and it was a heavily modified gun I got to try out. There are some very nice and expensive 1911's, my cheap Norc has an idiot scratch:) and I don't care. They are a pain to strip down compared to new style pistols.
 
The Dan Wesson's come with many of the features people want on a custom gun. If you don't care about having a Pony on the slide, they are a good choice.
 
Hello,

I am considering a 1911....and rather find the older Colt Series 70/80 interesting for their history and style....I'm a Glock 20/21 guy and frankly have never even held/shot a Colt 1911 or any 1911.

Please any and all comments from an experienced shooters/owner/gunsmith point of view on this model?

Are they worth the $1200 that most folks are asking...(with box and Factory letter, etc..)?

Thanks all!

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I have had quite a few over the years, from fair WW1 1911 to top of the line Kimber, that was very nice shooter.
a few middle of the road ones.
My current is a hand built Norinco that is as good as any of them.
As a first time, Remington makes a good one, I would just look for a good used none and try it.
I can shoot most guns good , but not Glocks, as I am not use to them, just feel "off" to me.
I don't know why people disable the grip safety.
 
currently, i only shoot 1911, and 21sf. they are both completely different in terms of feel, but both do a great job at punching holes in paper.
i lean towards the 1911 platform, probably because I'm old lol.
 
Since the Lavalin stuff, i have been buying from our dealers a lot of restricteds.

Since i like to help out new RPALers, i buy pistols of entry level to give them.

One model of 1911, i bought the SAM GI 45 ACP (2). I tried up at the range everything i give away as a gift.
I am surprised by those SAM 1911, they shoot good and look good and they are dead cheap in price. I bought 2 from Wolverines
 
If you are nostalgic then a good to very good example will top out at around $1200. I am always looking for very good to excellent examples myself. Paper work, the original box and documentation adds nothing to the value from my personal experience unless it was General Patton's 1911. When I tell people I have the original box and paper work, about 80 to 90% of the people just roll their eyes.

A 1911 definatly feels different than a Glock. I have medium size hands and I don't find 1911 uncomfortable to hold or shoot. Like everyone have mentioned , there are other offerring from the inexpensive Norinco to a very well built Dan Wesson. Someone mentioned CZ which also looks nice but the price is creeping up to almost Dan Wesson territory. I own a Norinco, Dan Wesson, Browning which for whatever reason was the hardest to find and of course a Colt in my small 1911 collection. I get it if you really have to have a Colt. My wife said I needed a good example of a Colt if I were to say that I own an authentic 1911 so I bought one and she never stopped nagging me about the purchase since.lol What I like to get is a stainless S&W 1911 because when they do appear, they always seem to be a great buy at around $500-$700 understandably. Anymore, I would just look for another Colt.
 
Hi OP, if you really want a 70 series Colt, sure absolutely...be patient and get one. They pop up on the EE and elsewhere.

But for me, the original grip safety and spur hammer will not work. Skinny hands coupled with high grip is a painful experience. Hammer bite ruins my range day.

Also the Colt name on a 1911 has lost its appeal for me. It’s John Moses Browning that I respect, not the Colt brand.

Maybe my sad experience with the 6 different 1911 Series 80 MkIVs that I had, ruined it for me. Only the stainless Officer’s Model fed and functioned reliably and was superbly accurate to 50 meters. Too bad that OM had to be sold. My last Series 80 Gold Cup was so bad I swore off 1911s. Good thing Norincos restored my love for the 1911 and now am back with a Ruger, Springfield Loaded and Kimber Target 2. And my never-sell Kotanko customed and tuned Norkie Sport. Anyways that’s irrelevant since OP wants a series 70.
 
Funny you should mention that , here is mine that was built by Roger, this gun is the one that took the place of the Kimber Eclipse target, that was a very nice gun.
DSC01884.jpg The top one, I have taken off the comp that I was trying out, worked O.K., but point of aim changed a bit.
Hi OP, if you really want a 70 series Colt, sure absolutely...be patient and get one. They pop up on the EE and elsewhere.

But for me, the original grip safety and spur hammer will not work. Skinny hands coupled with high grip is a painful experience. Hammer bite ruins my range day.

Also the Colt name on a 1911 has lost its appeal for me. It’s John Moses Browning that I respect, not the Colt brand.

Maybe my sad experience with the 6 different 1911 Series 80 MkIVs that I had, ruined it for me. Only the stainless Officer’s Model fed and functioned reliably and was superbly accurate to 50 meters. Too bad that OM had to be sold. My last Series 80 Gold Cup was so bad I swore off 1911s. Good thing Norincos restored my love for the 1911 and now am back with a Ruger, Springfield Loaded and Kimber Target 2. And my never-sell Kotanko customed and tuned Norkie Sport. Anyways that’s irrelevant since OP wants a series 70.
 

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Since you showed your Kotanko, I’ll show mine. I almost felt guilty buying this from a friend. I think I stole it.
Amazing trigger job, minimally dehorned slide, solid barrel slide lockup, minimal lateral slide to frame play, long Videki trigger, SA style magwell, Bomar style rear sight, fiber optic front.
Roger probably tweaked everything necessary for total functional reliability, including the 5 Norkie mags that came with it. It has never failed to feed, fire or eject.
 

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