Question: I've heard estimates that ban will cost them 400-600million. Yet, if there are only 75k restricted AR15s, then even if Liberals pay 2k for every one of them, that will only be 150m in payout. That leaves up to 450 mil to spend. So really the restricted ar15s are just a small fraction of what they aim to ban. What other guns are they considering here? I wonder if JT will take the route that NZ, practically banning every centrefire semi rifle.
Over seventy-five thousand - 75,634 - AR-15s currently registered to individuals
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Question: I've heard estimates that ban will cost them 400-600million. Yet, if there are only 75k restricted AR15s, then even if Liberals pay 2k for every one of them, that will only be 150m in payout. That leaves up to 450 mil to spend. So really the restricted ar15s are just a small fraction of what they aim to ban. What other guns are they considering here? I wonder if JT will take the route that NZ, practically banning every centrefire semi rifle.
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/new-zealand-gun-buyback-1.5269463
Under both the Australian 96 buyback and the current NZ buyback, both programs would compensate gun owners not just for the firearms, but also parts and accessories rendered useless without the firearm. That could account for a significant amount of the delta.
Also don't forget the actual destruction and disposal costs. And there will no doubt be lots of record keeping going on.
Further, the 250K number is highly conspicuous. IN the spring Blair said the number was 200K. WE know that 12k new ARs were sold from April to August, so what were the other 38k firearms purchased in that period that drove the number higher?
The only excuse the government is allowed to use for forced expropriation of property is to invoke eminent domain as a necessity. It would be unprecedented for the government to invoke eminent domain to expropriate something out of necessity, and then destroy the thing that it previously thought it needed.
It is a inaccurate and misleading to call the confiscation of firearms an expropriation.
Denying a person's ability to possess their legally owned property is called theft.
Theft under the guise of criminal sanction is called blackmail.
Using money to coerce compliance with theft is called bribery.
Bribery under a threat of criminal sanction is called extortion.
Calling this plan of prohibition Expropriation will actually give it some legitimacy in the eyes of Canadians. Expropriation in the national interest is legal.
Theft, blackmail, bribery, and extortion are not. Call this what it really is.
Where a firearm is defined in S 2 of the criminal code as a "barrelled weapon capable of discharging a projectile capable of causing serious bodily harm."
Another sloppily worded piece of legislation by people who couldn't comprehend the firearms industry and how these laws would actually be used.
The problem with all of these laws is that modification itself is not a term defined in the criminal code. Courts have long ruled that a firearm temporarily disassembled for the purposes of cleaning and maintenance is still a firearm, as it can be easily and quickly reassembled. The available rulings don't address the issue of a firearm that was purchased in a disassembled state, and that can be easily and quick assembled in the first place.
We see this problem again in the classification rules where some prohibited and restricted firearms are classified based on modifications.
The whole concept of registering firearms as a receiver only is nonsense. And despite all the complicated BS about classifying and registering a firearm based not on the receiver but by the parts attached to it, the one thing that would have made sense was the one thing they didn't do, which was to exempt restricted receivers from the ridiculous requirement under the storage regulations to trigger lock an inanimate piece of metal.
I've heard mini-14, m305, Tavor, SKS, VZ, CZ, etc.
It's about 800Mb in csv format.
Ok. Feel free to go to court with that emotional drivel. I'll make money betting against you at every level of our court system.
How many SKSs out there? $? 17
How many total black rifles? $? 32 All the rest are probably on the bottom of a lake somewhere . It was a tough year on NR's . And who is going to make sure JT and his Cronies are not just handing out guns to Gang members at the backdoor? The RCMP , The Toronto Police? How many guns did they lose again ...
So it will fit on anything but a floppy disc. It is probably saved on someones C:\ drive and called PersonalExpenses.csv and is moved to the new computer every time they are refreshed. The justification for having it will be "if it saves just one life" when they are caught or release it.
Peter
In July we filed an Access to Information request with the RCMP, asking for the number of AR-15s registered to individuals. The number was 75,634 as of August 14, 2019.
According to TheGunBlog.ca, there were 66262 AR-15 and related rifles registered to individuals as of April 30.
That's 9102 new registrations or +14% in 3.5 months.
Justin must be the greatest
What do you mean "when they are caught releasing it"? You can download a version right now that's been "obfuscated" for privacy reasons, but contains pretty much the whole enchilada. You can't tell exactly who had which gun, but that's pretty much it.
I was unaware of that. Thanks for the information. I didn't really look into but assumed someone would have taken it.
Peter
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Emotional drivel. Classy. You claim expropriation of any property by any government for any reason is absolutely legal. Please give one example from anywhere in Canadian history, where a government expropriated non-real estate property under the criminal law and then destroyed it. Please provide any legal reference that substantiates this non-emotional drivel claim.
No justification is needed. Multiple Newspapers, advocacy groups and private individuals were all given redacted copies of the full registry before the Non-Restricted registry went defunct. The only thing redacted was the identifying personal info of the registered owner. I believe it was a Post Media, CanWest at the time, paper that actually published the whole thing, including the postal codes with only the last two digits missing, so that people could research gun ownership rates with a relatively high degree of geographic precision.
It is not illegal to possess the registry, or to disseminate it. The conservatives did their level best to try to destroy all the data, but like all big government data systems, its public information, and one way or another the public will always find a way to gain access to it.
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Im sure there were lots of unlawful duplicates made, but there are plenty of lawful copies that were circulated after Freedom of Information requests as well.
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Anyone remember OKA Crisis. Natives armed with AK47 Rifles... and this was AFTER C68. And not one of those guns were turned in.
Think those rifles are still out there? Yup
Think those rifles are still out there? Yup
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Anyone remember OKA Crisis. Natives armed with AK47 Rifles... and this was AFTER C68. And not one of those guns were turned in.
Think those rifles are still out there? Yup
You mean the valmets? The only ak variant exempted from the oic banned by name list.
Now ask yourself where they came from...
Wasn't there some sort of traditional ceremony after OKA, where the First Nations warrior men handed the rifles to the First Nations women, and the women did something with them? The jist being the men didn't have those particular guns any more.
At Oka the weapons were burned before they walked out and surrendered
Great post Cameron. Really like that analysis. I hope the CCFR can run with that type of logic to get this squashed.
Out of curiosity, what are other 5.56 rifles that take stanag mags and have normal ar15 controls that are non-restricted? They are escaping my memory at the moment. Maybe don't post em here but pm me lol.
This sounds right.
So I can see them trying for about a dozen of my NR guns. Value estimate 30K. I think civil disobedience is in my future.
You might want to check Google before posting such crap.The Oka crisis took place between July 11, 1990 and September 26, 1990. Bill C-68 did not receive Royal Assent until December 5, 1995. Spreading those kinds of lies doesn't help anybody's cause, especially when the facts are easily checked.
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