celichi
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celichi
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I’m with you!
Do you think confiscating firearms from competent law abiding citizens isn't extremism?...
I know firearms aren't a right... but it is an earned privilege. Taking firearms from the most competent minority in Canada only hurts Canada.
Punishing competence is wrong, no matter how you want to spin it.
I take pride in having a restricted license, its like having a gold medal of citizenship.I shouldn't have to relinquish that medal,because of extremism.
I earned it.. it should be up to me to lose it,(competence) not anyone else.
Taking something away from someone who earned it, is divisive,unfair and corrupt.[/QUOTE]
Do you think confiscating firearms from competent law abiding citizens isn't extremism?...
I know firearms aren't a right... but it is an earned privilege. Taking firearms from the most competent minority in Canada only hurts Canada.
Punishing competence is wrong, no matter how you want to spin it.
I take pride in having a restricted license, its like having a gold medal of citizenship.I shouldn't have to relinquish that medal,because of extremism.
I earned it.. it should be up to me to lose it,(competence) not anyone else.
Taking something away from someone who earned it, is divisive,unfair and corrupt.[/QUOTE]
Strictly speaking, this is untrue. Montreal only has 18 ridings, Toronto 25, Vancouver 15... so 58 out of 338. This thinking is exactly why US Democrats lost their election in 2016.
It's hard to form a majority center-right government in Canada because our political Overton window leans center-left. As such, center-right thinkers tend to be a minority in many ridings, so we're half the vote but one-third of the seats.
Most politicians waffle on positions because it can take decades to change public opinion. The left has been indoctrinating youth through the school system for generations now but people tend to drift right as they gain affluence and our society is still pretty good at generating limited wealth.
This is why the hard left wants to lower the voting age to 16... To children who have never really had to fend for themselves, paying half their income in taxes, and who might welcome the idea of a nanny state extending their childhood.
Nobody who doesn't pay taxes should vote.
Realistically, we've almost certainly lost the AR-15, particularly any that are currently restricted. This is low hanging fruit for the Liberals to keep a campaign promise. I would think a buy-out of all restricted AR-15 platform rifles for a most unfair price and a move to prohibited status for all others with a ban on futures sales and imports.
The Liberals seem keen to reopen the "new deal for cities" clusterfcuk, to empower the cities to ban handguns. This would allow them to use the least legitimate level of government to enact their agenda, bypassing provincial legislatures. The legal framework to do this, however, doesn't really exist, and is even contradicted in the Constitution Act. Basically, this would be massive federal overreach which the provinces will fight to the death.
The Liberals seem keen to reopen the "new deal for cities" clusterfcuk, to empower the cities to ban handguns. This would allow them to use the least legitimate level of government to enact their agenda, bypassing provincial legislatures. The legal framework to do this, however, doesn't really exist, and is even contradicted in the Constitution Act. Basically, this would be massive federal overreach which the provinces will fight to the death.
Ummm... Seriously?
The Liberals will borrow 100 billion dollars a year for the next two years to try and buy the next election. They'll call it stimulus precisely because the economy is slowing down, but they'll cause the slowdown with a back-breaking carbon tax.
By limiting the number of affected gun owners and providing a two-year compliance cycle, the Liberals can keep a popular promise (check the polls, people support this) without having to take a strong stand before the next election. And yes, they will call an election within two years to try and expand their mandate.
I agree with this.
Realistically any legislation will be ineffective given the current political situation.
Coffice
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I hope the west separates or at least rattles the cage enough to make all of us here wake up.
One thing I hate more then anything is being a young person born, raised, and living in the Atlantic and being surrounded by people who are in la-la land when it comes to the reality of the economic struggle we are faced with. So many people just sit idly by not thinking about how our provinces are hindered by these balance payments, forcing a crutch underneath us and never allowing all of our provinces to succeed on our own merits.
The Maritimes has the ability to be financially secure but our attitude towards it just will not allow this shift in mentality needed - we end up competeing against one another for the scraps left behind rather then working together!
What I hope to see is that if the West can unite around one another, that we can too. If New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, and PEI united and STOPPED fighting against one another, we could finally begin to pool our talents and resources to get ahead together. Confederation was SUPPOSED to be just us anyway!
I lend my voice of support to the Wexit pioneers as loudly as I can, because we hold you back, and by proxy it holds all of us back from achieving our true potential as a region. I care for my Maritime home deeply; and when you love something you know when it's time to bring on the tough love.
Cut the cord and let us sink or learn to swim Westerners, at least us folk raised by the sea know how to doggie paddle...I don't give much hope to the Centrals.
One thing I hate more then anything is being a young person born, raised, and living in the Atlantic and being surrounded by people who are in la-la land when it comes to the reality of the economic struggle we are faced with. So many people just sit idly by not thinking about how our provinces are hindered by these balance payments, forcing a crutch underneath us and never allowing all of our provinces to succeed on our own merits.
The Maritimes has the ability to be financially secure but our attitude towards it just will not allow this shift in mentality needed - we end up competeing against one another for the scraps left behind rather then working together!
What I hope to see is that if the West can unite around one another, that we can too. If New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, and PEI united and STOPPED fighting against one another, we could finally begin to pool our talents and resources to get ahead together. Confederation was SUPPOSED to be just us anyway!
I lend my voice of support to the Wexit pioneers as loudly as I can, because we hold you back, and by proxy it holds all of us back from achieving our true potential as a region. I care for my Maritime home deeply; and when you love something you know when it's time to bring on the tough love.
Cut the cord and let us sink or learn to swim Westerners, at least us folk raised by the sea know how to doggie paddle...I don't give much hope to the Centrals.
scout_289
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I agree.
Exit is like a marriage / divorce. Act in haste, repent at leisure and spend years looking at your diminished bank account.
It's a good gambit though, has worked wonders for PQ and right now Kenney is basically asking for par with PQ which is not unreasonable - unless you a PQ separatist or a member of our esteemed government.
scout_289
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So if we get a two year reprieve, how will we best use the time? Something new and innovative or squander it dreaming that we have some kind of invisible hammer that will crush all resistance before it just by speaking the magic "No Compromise" phrase.
We're at a cross roads.
scout_289
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It's interesting to read these threads pretending that one is detached from the problem of losing their guns.
So many write like they are independent survivalists of the first order yet when it comes to doing something to save our guns it usually boils down to what the government of the day is going to do to us.
See the disconnect? All kinds of rash talk and then lay back and hope that the government trips up in some way. Don't sound like masters of our destiny do we?
So many write like they are independent survivalists of the first order yet when it comes to doing something to save our guns it usually boils down to what the government of the day is going to do to us.
See the disconnect? All kinds of rash talk and then lay back and hope that the government trips up in some way. Don't sound like masters of our destiny do we?
This thread started from a good point. I totally agree with SmoothBore.
Anti-gunners publish numerous articles to say that guns are threatening everyday Canadians. And in Toronto/Vancouver this is somewhat true.
And pro-gunners try to refute these but the message is lost in the noise. Only the original headlines make it to the press.
I think that (maybe the CCFR) needs to take control of the conversation and point the gun crime blame at those in power. Lets show that the gun crime problem is a crime problem and hold those in power to blame. So the mayor and chief of police need to be blamed for letting this get out of control and staying out of control.
Only by focussing attention on the root of the problem will people get anything practical done. The Liberals are happy to take guns away from law abiding citizens if it makes it look like they've done something to combat gun crime. The shallow drama teacher who leads this country just doesn't care if it has an actual impact. It's only about winning votes and popularity.
scout_289
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Thank you for asking the question.
We add some extra juice to our toolbox and reach out to the wider society while taking the focus off our guns and putting it on ourselves as good citizens with rights to use and enjoy our property as we see fit.
Keep the good bits of our strategy, enhance them and add "Outreach" backed up by action on our part.
Check out the detailed plan in this link. I've ben hawking it for more than four years and the gun retail org in the USA started the same initiative to "do good to get good things" three years ago (link is my sig line).
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/for...nge-we-must-constructive-criticism-is-welcome
I know there is a lot of talk of non-compliance with AR15's especially, but what are the odds of the government using an electronic crackdown method to force compliance on firearms they know you have and haven't turned in. By that I mean they don't even need to come to your house just look you up in the system and stop you in your tracks electronically. I'm no lawyer, would it even be legal for them do it that way? Leans on property, drivers license revoked, SIN flagged, pension froze, could prevent you from buying property or getting loans. Just a huge spit ball here?!. Is this a possible legal action?
Diamondback Six
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Tell THIS pregnant woman who had to ruck up and defend the homestead and family that nobody needs an AR:
https://www.redstate.com/nick-arama...er-husband-and-child-in-brutal-home-invasion/
Full disclosure, I occasionally write for this site--Nick is one of our newer team members.
https://www.redstate.com/nick-arama...er-husband-and-child-in-brutal-home-invasion/
Full disclosure, I occasionally write for this site--Nick is one of our newer team members.
Our best option is the courts... Every element of every piece of legislation needs to be contested. There are issues of property rights, civil rights, constitutional rights, self defense, freedom of association, Federal overreach... heck, breach of contract, jaywalking... everything and anything.
There's probably some wisdom in launching simultaneous lawsuits in different provinces too, since jurisprudence isn't really Canadian. A collection of class actions, one in each province, with the goal of making it too difficult or expensive to proceed.
We're many, they're few. Tie them up for years, maybe decades. Force them to amend the constitution and the charter of every province.
scout_289
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With a government leader that didn't lift a finger while two Albertans got beheaded in a foreign land in order to prove his cojones I wouldn't be surprised if they did everything that you have written plus a few things that we haven't thought of yet in order to force compliance.
Pressure tactics would be developed after seeing how the registry in PQ and the NZ gun grab goes.
I have some ideas what else they could do but I'm sure not going to feed it to them here.
In Canada she would have gone to jail for misuse of a restricted firearm (assuming it had a less than 18.5" barrel). Just loading it broke the law.
US examples aren't helpful here; it only confuses the issue by making people feel justified when the law is not on their side.
Our government uses US violence statistics to justify passing guns laws for crimes that are practically non-existent here.
US examples aren't helpful here; it only confuses the issue by making people feel justified when the law is not on their side.
Our government uses US violence statistics to justify passing guns laws for crimes that are practically non-existent here.
scout_289
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The courts are there in my recipe (post 173) but only as a last resort, not the pointy end of the spear because they are slow, expensive and the outcome is uncertain.
The High River / RCMP class action suit had a whole bunch of posters here wet with anticipation but it lost momentum before it ever went to court. The track record of other court actions has been hit and miss; mostly miss.
Study what's happening with carbon tax challenges by the Provinces (deep pockets) and see if that's where you want to roll the dice and the $$$$$?
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Ownership of firearms per se may not be a right in Canada, but property ownership is a long established right in this country, and we as a country should all be deeply concerned when a government is planning to confiscate rightfully owned property from law abiding citizens based on nothing but lies and misinformation and for no demonstrable benefit, against the demonstrated will of the majority. That in itself is already tyranny. Based on the whim of the muppet PM, they're going to confiscate your rightful property. How long until they decide you don't need to own two cars, or any car at all? How long until they decide you don't need a house, a government issued apartment will do? If anyone thinks these things can't happen, you're dreaming. One look at the hysteria and fear mongering over climate change and the depths of corruption and arrogance of the lieberals ought to convince you.
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