Northern Bush Rifle suggestions

Stainless Mod70 338win CRF with Talley QD rings and a VX-R 1.25x4 firedot scope. Can easily swap over to a 3.5x10x40 or similar for reaching out depending on situation once they are both sighted in. Barnes TTSX 210g monos, or 225/250g Nosler Partition depending on your recoil sensitivity. Can easily add a muzzle break for longer shots to tame recoil or use with thread cap for every day carry or pushing the thick crap where no time to stick in deci-dams. Very versatile and will put down most things. Love my setup
 
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I tried carrying a 14” Mossberg 590A1 outfitting in BC, was terrible frankly, and my least favourite bush / guide gun I’ve carried. Hated the sand found where we work.



Handiness, in a word. If I didn’t own them I’d have agreed with you. But a gun that fits in a computer bag, shoots two extremely handy forms of ammunition, packs its own ammo in the butt, and is utterly weatherproof and bombproof makes its own niche. I fly with one under my seat bush piloting and outfitting, and don’t view the survival gun idea as silly. I haven’t been a place in BC yet I couldn’t feed myself with fishing gear and a .22/.410 for a long stretch. The Air Force concept wasn’t for use in theatre in Bosnia, it was for Cold War long legs over the Boreal forest (my grandfather flew interceptors and patrol), and it made perfect sense in a time when rescue could be a very long time off in extremely remote areas well supplied with small game. We carry “shortbread” survival rations in our flying kits, supplementing them with grouse and rabbit sure improves the situation. Plus like more of us it’s psychologically comforting to have a handy gun around. And psychologically important to have a purpose like hunting small game that renders a very significant reward, rather than eating cold bricks under a tree well and waiting. My small change.

I've read and enjoyed your very informative posts on the drawbacks of the 14" 590A1 carried where you go, along with the other firearms you've carried.

I'll try to keep the sand out of mine when I'm out in the bush with it.

I would rather have a gun than no gun stranded after a plane crash in unfamiliar forests...
 
I tried carrying a 14” Mossberg 590A1 outfitting in BC, was terrible frankly, and my least favourite bush / guide gun I’ve carried. Hated the sand found where we work.

I carry exactly this on hikes, and also find it a pain to carry, but never could figure out why. I'm glad I'm not the only one who finds such a handy sized shotgun so cumbersome
 
Package wise I actually liked it, no sharp protrusions and short, the mechanism is just too susceptible to salt water / sand / maltreatment. Also lost my faith in 12 gauge slugs as a stopper for Grizz compared to a rifle, I’d readily take a .308 over a 12 gauge in a bear encounter. The OP has none of these worries he’s just rambling in the Yukon for fun, small game will be the name of the game. Tens of thousands of hikers play out here unarmed and do just fine, a little combo gun is more than necessary.
 
My stainless one weighs 3lbs 12oz, with 20’ of paracord on the barrels, just checked.

That's a big difference from what google says. I still don't get the appeal, 12 oz is 100 shells for the Savage Rascal. My idea of a "survival" gun would be a folding or takedown, short barrelled 12 guage, either single shot or over/under. Some birdshot, a few slugs, and some flares for signalling that can be used with an open choke.

Four 410 shells seems little better than zero 410 shells to me, it would by necessity be used on stationary targets, I spent enough time on the trap range during waterfowl season to have no faith whatsoever in the ability of Joe Average to hit a moving target.

I went down the combo gun road for farm and wandering use and found it wanting, not accurate enough with the rifle and awkward with the shotgun.

I still think the very idea of military personnel foraging for food after a crash is fantasy, a Nazi Belt Buckle pistol is arguable more useful. I have in my hands an RCAF Pilot's Logbook, it includes searches for missing planes, there is no indication that any had a happy ending, for example, one entry says " Found Capt ###XX, killed, plane burned". and these weren't Starfighters hitting the ground at Mach 2.

Stranded I can see the utility, crashing I see little, four grouse are not going to materially change the outcome.

For exploring:

The Shackleton Antarctic Expedition took a 12 gauge and a 318.

The Morden-Clark Asiatic Expedition took three 1903 Springfields, a Marbles Game Getter similar in concept to the M6, "Used Rarely" the notes say, the 1911 was "Never Used", and the Colt Woodsmen was "Almost never used".

Naomi Uemura went solo to the North Pole, he took a 303 ( and killed a camp raiding Polar Bear with it) after the Canadian Govt in it's wisdom wouldn't let him take a 44 mag handgun (to the North Pole FFS!). My father got National Geographic back when it was good and I remember this article well.

But, the OP says he plans on moving to the Yukon or NWT, this means he needs a moose rifle. The grizzlies are supposed to be the smallest extant in North America, a 270 WCF would likely work well, it was a "big gun" before the internet when Grizzly and Moose tags were over the counter.

Lightweight, rugged, open sighted (best be in camp before dark in unfamiliar country), powerful enough for moose. Really the stores and EE are full of guns like this, but this is a gun forum. In my mind, the choices would start with the 6.5x55 and end with the 300 Win Mag.


I get a kick out of the Ruger Gunsite Scout, junk hanging off of it, the Ruger 77 reminds me of the Yugo Mauser, it may work, but its fairly crude. I'd take a pre 64 Win 94 over the Ruger GSS any day. Compare a Ruger to a Yugo Mauser, then to an early war or pre war German Mauser, they aren't even close. This isn't even considering the questionable ballistics from the short barrel, people think they're powerful because of the muzzle blast. I had a girlfriend that started crying the first time she fired my FR8. The only reason to ever pick a 308 is the Savage 99. The 30-06 is better in every way. The 308 is like the M6, some strange idea that somebody in the military had., it was only 60 years out of date when adopted.

Get a Husqvarna 30-06 (or 8x57 if you reload) from Tradeex. Buy a good pair of binoculars.
 
How about a No 5 Enfield? It'll work, it's not terribly heavy, it's very handy, you can quite easily get .308 ballistics (the 174 grain service load is nearly the exact equal of M118LR NATO loading), you have 10 shots, it has a fast action (very fast if you practise), you can mount a rail on it for a dot- or just use the irons, and it won't cost $3K.

Disclaimer - I don't live in the North, and I don't hunt, but I can most assuredly run a Lee Enfield. Take it for what it's worth given what you paid for it.
 
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That's a big difference from what google says. I still don't get the appeal, 12 oz is 100 shells for the Savage Rascal. My idea of a "survival" gun would be a folding or takedown, short barrelled 12 guage, either single shot or over/under. Some birdshot, a few slugs, and some flares for signalling that can be used with an open choke.

Four 410 shells seems little better than zero 410 shells to me, it would by necessity be used on stationary targets, I spent enough time on the trap range during waterfowl season to have no faith whatsoever in the ability of Joe Average to hit a moving target.

I went down the combo gun road for farm and wandering use and found it wanting, not accurate enough with the rifle and awkward with the shotgun.

I still think the very idea of military personnel foraging for food after a crash is fantasy, a Nazi Belt Buckle pistol is arguable more useful. I have in my hands an RCAF Pilot's Logbook, it includes searches for missing planes, there is no indication that any had a happy ending, for example, one entry says " Found Capt ###XX, killed, plane burned". and these weren't Starfighters hitting the ground at Mach 2.

Stranded I can see the utility, crashing I see little, four grouse are not going to materially change the outcome.

For exploring:

The Shackleton Antarctic Expedition took a 12 gauge and a 318.

The Morden-Clark Asiatic Expedition took three 1903 Springfields, a Marbles Game Getter similar in concept to the M6, "Used Rarely" the notes say, the 1911 was "Never Used", and the Colt Woodsmen was "Almost never used".

Naomi Uemura went solo to the North Pole, he took a 303 ( and killed a camp raiding Polar Bear with it) after the Canadian Govt in it's wisdom wouldn't let him take a 44 mag handgun (to the North Pole FFS!). My father got National Geographic back when it was good and I remember this article well.

But, the OP says he plans on moving to the Yukon or NWT, this means he needs a moose rifle. The grizzlies are supposed to be the smallest extant in North America, a 270 WCF would likely work well, it was a "big gun" before the internet when Grizzly and Moose tags were over the counter.

Lightweight, rugged, open sighted (best be in camp before dark in unfamiliar country), powerful enough for moose. Really the stores and EE are full of guns like this, but this is a gun forum. In my mind, the choices would start with the 6.5x55 and end with the 300 Win Mag.


I get a kick out of the Ruger Gunsite Scout, junk hanging off of it, the Ruger 77 reminds me of the Yugo Mauser, it may work, but its fairly crude. I'd take a pre 64 Win 94 over the Ruger GSS any day. Compare a Ruger to a Yugo Mauser, then to an early war or pre war German Mauser, they aren't even close. This isn't even considering the questionable ballistics from the short barrel, people think they're powerful because of the muzzle blast. I had a girlfriend that started crying the first time she fired my FR8. The only reason to ever pick a 308 is the Savage 99. The 30-06 is better in every way. The 308 is like the M6, some strange idea that somebody in the military had., it was only 60 years out of date when adopted.

Get a Husqvarna 30-06 (or 8x57 if you reload) from Tradeex. Buy a good pair of binoculars.

Finally someone on the internet figured it out!
 
These days for a “survival gun” I would likely choose one of the lighter weight PCCs offered than one of those M6 contraptions. A detach magazine fed can have several magazines with light loaded ammo tailored to small game and full power to kill something larger or dissuade predators.
 
I had a Martini Enfield that I thought would make an awesome survival weapon. Relatively thin, with no protruding bolt / charging handle / Hammer. Few moving parts, proven platform & relatively rapid to reload in that it ejects the empties. A little practice with a round or two captured by their rims between fingers of your firing hand...it's pretty fast to reload.
303 Br is fairly common too, good power to boot.
Ambidextrous too
 
Careful with those PCCs, launch a 180 grain bullet at 1200 fps and call it a 10mm and you're golden, launch a 180 grain bullet at 1400fps and call it a 35 WSL and you'll get laughed off the internet.

Same with the 9x19 vs 32-20 and 45ACP vs 44 Henry.
 
Finally someone on the internet figured it out!

luckily Greg,we re a few that do not rely only on internet to take a decision to have the kind of rifle or caliber in the safe or in the bush.

if you add in the equation of hunting in the Yukon: while legal and done by some i do not think 30-06 is a good choice for bison hunting ...

on another note all the scandinavian explorers used a 6.5x55SE since his appearance, today for bear protection in spitzberg the caliber is 30-06 or 308 or a 12 GA.

on a second not all ruger 77 or hawkeye all equal when crude is mentionned and never had one like that. the same for the yugoslavian mausers.

and for grizzlies not all ours are the thinniest one. there is a lovely corner were they are huge and compared to the coastal one again not everything is egal...

from the southern lakes to the arctic ocean Yukon is really diverse and cannot be sum up in one thread lol
 
luckily Greg,we re a few that do not rely only on internet to take a decision to have the kind of rifle or caliber in the safe or in the bush.

if you add in the equation of hunting in the Yukon: while legal and done by some i do not think 30-06 is a good choice for bison hunting ...

on another note all the scandinavian explorers used a 6.5x55SE since his appearance, today for bear protection in spitzberg the caliber is 30-06 or 308 or a 12 GA.

on a second not all ruger 77 or hawkeye all equal when crude is mentionned and never had one like that. the same for the yugoslavian mausers.

and for grizzlies not all ours are the thinniest one. there is a lovely corner were they are huge and compared to the coastal one again not everything is egal...

from the southern lakes to the arctic ocean Yukon is really diverse and cannot be sum up in one thread lol

For the record... my comment was a absolutely drenched in sarcasm...
 
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and for grizzlies not all ours are the thinniest one. there is a lovely corner were they are huge and compared to the coastal one again not everything is egal...

from the southern lakes to the arctic ocean Yukon is really diverse and cannot be sum up in one thread lol

Not to mention inland grizzlies can be real dicks compared to most of the coastal grizzlies. :)
 
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