Hey Wolverine, I heard you guys had a few Brownells' rifles submitted with RCMP and I've been following the development of the BRN-180 uppers and now the lowers. I'm wondering if these lowers have a chance at being Non-restricted considering they are designed specifically for their uppers. I know an AR15 upper would fit physically but wouldn't function because you can't install a buffer tube.
BRN-180 lowers status
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Not so, if the buffer spring can't be used then there may be hope
Looking at the pictures even if it did fit and fire, it wouldn't be safe and the firearm would not cycle.
All depends on how they go with this, if they treat it like the MCX or not.
Looking at the pictures even if it did fit and fire, it wouldn't be safe and the firearm would not cycle.
All depends on how they go with this, if they treat it like the MCX or not.
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The brn180 uppers can be used with ar15 lowers but the brn180 lower can not be used with an ar15 upper. But I guess the decision on the MCX answers my question...
It will be classified as a variant of an AR, Just like a SIG MCX. while a regular AR upper will not work on the BRN lower there are other piston uppers that don't need a buffer like the River Rock's LAR PDS and ZM lr-300 uppers that will work
Their 180 lower is actually an AR15 lower that looks like an ar180, but with a rail instead of a buffer tube hole to attach folding stocks/braces.
So literally not an AR15 lower then
If it can't work as an AR15 it's not an AR15
apexanimal
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Just so everyone is aware, if the rcmp lab can make the rifle fire a single shot with an ar15 upper, to them its an ar 15. This has historically been done using wire and ductape. So if an AR 15 upper fits the brn 180 lower, and fires a single shot, and explodes as a result, yes, its an ar 15 lower. Thats just the ridiculous laws folks, thought youd all be used to the lack of logic by now.
Dexter Morgan
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But it does work. (single shot)
The same argument could be made for a Palmetto State Armory AR-9, (or similar Angst Arms 9mm rifles.)
You can mate any .223 upper to their lower, and fire off a shot.
You can't insert a magazine and shoot semi-auto. But you can fire it single shot.
So they are restricted as an AR-15 variant.
Now compare that to the Freedom FX-9 rifle.
They used a proprietary (oddball sized) receiver for their build.
No AR-15 upper can be mated to their lower. Simply not possible.
Therefore non-restricted if barrel is long enough.
Touche
I was not aaare that that was the rules.
I guess a sinhle shot soon to break rifle is more dangerous than a VZ.58 haha
Brownell BRN-180 was designed to an AR lower's dimensions it was meant to be used on any AR lower, it doesn't even fit on an AR 180 lower.
PSA and Angstadt are both classified as an AR variant not because RCMP can fire a single shot out of a 223 upper, but rather Colt already have a 9 mm rifle (model 6951) the upper will work with the PSA and Angstadt without any modification, model 6951 was made, market and sold by Colt as a AR 15 variant.
PSA and Angstadt are both classified as an AR variant not because RCMP can fire a single shot out of a 223 upper, but rather Colt already have a 9 mm rifle (model 6951) the upper will work with the PSA and Angstadt without any modification, model 6951 was made, market and sold by Colt as a AR 15 variant.
Colossal Ursidae
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They aren't AR15 receivers because they do not share a history. they are modified AR180s which are not restricted by name.
BattleRife
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You are correct that the AR180 is not restricted by name. It is prohibited by name. Class 12(5).
