Savage Mkii Extraction Issues

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Hey everybody. So I have a Savage Mkii fv-sr Gator that's very accurate, but I'm having some issues with it. About 20% of the time, the rifle fails to extract the spent casing. At first I thought it was the cheap Winchester ammo I was shooting, so I went out and picked up some CCI Mini Mags. The first 100 rounds fired fine, so I thought it was an ammo issue, but then the failures to extract started happening again. I actually had a full 10 round magazine of CCI Mini Mags fail to extract where I had to pry out the spent case with a screwdriver each time! Only have about 250 rounds through it at this point. Actually gave up at the range today....

Was wondering if anyone had this issue and/or anyone know a fix? Is it possibly just as simple as a stronger extractor spring? Thanks
 
Inspect the extractor to make sure the tip isn't broken off of it. After that, I would try swabbing the chamber with lighter fluid. You may have got a tight chambered gun that likes to stay squeaky clean.
 
This is very common with the Savage mark II. Some people use two extractor springs. I brought my gun into the local smith and he fixed it and haven't had a problem yet. He told me he just squeezed the extractor spring together very firmly. Like I said this is common with this rifle. Cheers.
 
DES0LAT0R said:
Was wondering if anyone had this issue and/or anyone know a fix? Is it possibly just as simple as a stronger extractor spring? Thanks
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Things like cleaning the chamber and double clipping the extractor spring are just band-aids that do not address the root cause. Savage does not cut the extractor slot close enough to the chamber mouth, or there is some misalignment of the extractor head in the slot pushing it out too far from the case rim.





Notice how CZ cuts the extractor slot, it's practically a razor's edge at the chamber mouth. The slot lip actually dips slightly lower than the breech face. This ensures that the extractor claw can get right in there and has full grip on the rim.



The solution is to remove some material from the extractor slot, allowing the extractor claw to get full grip on the rim. Desolator, you're located fairly close to me. If you'd like me to fix this for you, PM me and we'll arrange a meet.
 
RabidM4U5 said:
Things like cleaning the chamber and double clipping the extractor spring are just band-aids that do not address the root cause. Savage does not cut the extractor slot close enough to the chamber mouth, or there is some misalignment of the extractor head in the slot pushing it out too far from the case rim.





Notice how CZ cuts the extractor slot, it's practically a razor's edge at the chamber mouth. The slot lip actually dips slightly lower than the breech face. This ensures that the extractor claw can get right in there and has full grip on the rim.



The solution is to remove some material from the extractor slot, allowing the extractor claw to get full grip on the rim. Desolator, you're located fairly close to me. If you'd like me to fix this for you, PM me and we'll arrange a meet.
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Interesting. But how can this be done without removing the barrel off the receiver? Doesn't sound like a quick and easy mod tbh.
 
RabidM4U5 said:
Things like cleaning the chamber and double clipping the extractor spring are just band-aids that do not address the root cause. Savage does not cut the extractor slot close enough to the chamber mouth, or there is some misalignment of the extractor head in the slot pushing it out too far from the case rim.





Notice how CZ cuts the extractor slot, it's practically a razor's edge at the chamber mouth. The slot lip actually dips slightly lower than the breech face. This ensures that the extractor claw can get right in there and has full grip on the rim.



The solution is to remove some material from the extractor slot, allowing the extractor claw to get full grip on the rim. Desolator, you're located fairly close to me. If you'd like me to fix this for you, PM me and we'll arrange a meet.
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Thanks, but if this is the issue, I might just trade it in and get a Ruger. I like the gun, but I expect a brand new gun to work. Really disappointed with this. I love the gun, just wish it worked....
 
I have the same issue with mine, it does this after 75-100 rounds of CCI Standard. I did the squeeze fix that Peerless mentioned but it only delays the problem by about 25 more rounds. I've been told that wax from the bullet starts to build in the chamber which makes it even tighter. This, coupled with the extractor slot position and you get failures to extract.

The key to reliability for has been to swab the chamber with a q-tip and solvent after every 50 rounds. Kind of a pain but it seems to keep it running.
 
Zee705 said:
I have the same issue with mine, it does this after 75-100 rounds of CCI Standard. I did the squeeze fix that Peerless mentioned but it only delays the problem by about 25 more rounds. I've been told that wax from the bullet starts to build in the chamber which makes it even tighter. This, coupled with the extractor slot position and you get failures to extract.

The key to reliability for has been to swab the chamber with a q-tip and solvent after every 50 rounds. Kind of a pain but it seems to keep it running.
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Damn. Well, I think I've decided on just trading it in then. That's not exactly what a bolt gun should run like in my opinion. I think I'll trade mine for a Ruger American Rimfire Target. It'll use my 1022 mags and I'll be done with this anoying problem!
 
awesomealvin said:
Interesting. But how can this be done without removing the barrel off the receiver? Doesn't sound like a quick and easy mod tbh.
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Best to pull the barrel, it's only pinned in place so it's no big deal. If one is crafty, they could weld the tip of a needle file into an L shape to work it without removing the barrel.

DES0LAT0R said:
Thanks, but if this is the issue, I might just trade it in and get a Ruger. I like the gun, but I expect a brand new gun to work. Really disappointed with this. I love the gun, just wish it worked....
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You sure? I can get your gun running 100% in no time, no charge :) I understand the frustration, it is a widespread issue with Savage's execution of the manufacturing. Heck, even those pricey Anschütz rifles have been plagued by ejection issues (casing bouncing back into the ejection port). Think about it.
 
RabidM4U5 said:
Best to pull the barrel, it's only pinned in place so it's no big deal. If one is crafty, they could weld the tip of a needle file into an L shape to work it without removing the barrel.



You sure? I can get your gun running 100% in no time, no charge :) I understand the frustration, it is a widespread issue with Savage's execution of the manufacturing. Heck, even those pricey Anschütz rifles have been plagued by ejection issues (casing bouncing back into the ejection port). Think about it.
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Thanks, I really appreciate it, but I'm just fed up with bad guns from the factory. This is the second savage I have owned and both had issues. I have issues with other companies as well. Build quality has just gone out the window for the past while....

I have owned several Rugers, and I have been happy with them all. My 1022 has had thousands of rounds through it with only the odd issue, which was crummy ammo related. I think I'll just be sticking with the companies I have had good luck with. Ruger is one of them, so I think a trade in is best for me at this point.
 
RabidM4U5 said:
Best to pull the barrel, it's only pinned in place so it's no big deal. If one is crafty, they could weld the tip of a needle file into an L shape to work it without removing the barrel.



You sure? I can get your gun running 100% in no time, no charge :) I understand the frustration, it is a widespread issue with Savage's execution of the manufacturing. Heck, even those pricey Anschütz rifles have been plagued by ejection issues (casing bouncing back into the ejection port). Think about it.
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You around Sudbury by any chance?
 
Contact Savage Canada.. they sent me a kit with new extractors and spring. The new springs was much stiffer then the factory one. Has worked great for a year, but I just doubled up to see how it would work. Had to enlarge the slot a bit on the 2nd spring.

The new spring made it stiffer and operation has been great. Doubling up makes it stiffer still and seems to function just fine. NO change in cycling the bolt.

I am very happy with the operation once fixed

Jerry

PS, no issues wrt to extractor cut and my chamber.
 
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Had the same problem with mine. I removed the barrel and cut the extractor slot deeper leaving a sharper chamber edge and it's been flawless since! Didn't take that long either!
 
jhnvan said:
Had the same problem with mine. I removed the barrel and cut the extractor slot deeper leaving a sharper chamber edge and it's been flawless since! Didn't take that long either!
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:agree: That's what I'm sayin'! It just needs a little tweak, doesn't make sense to me to go trading in the rifle over that, but, I've been known to re-crown and lap barrels before giving up on them :rolleyes:
 
DES0LAT0R said:
Hey everybody. So I have a Savage Mkii fv-sr Gator that's very accurate, but I'm having some issues with it. About 20% of the time, the rifle fails to extract the spent casing. At first I thought it was the cheap Winchester ammo I was shooting, so I went out and picked up some CCI Mini Mags. The first 100 rounds fired fine, so I thought it was an ammo issue, but then the failures to extract started happening again. I actually had a full 10 round magazine of CCI Mini Mags fail to extract where I had to pry out the spent case with a screwdriver each time! Only have about 250 rounds through it at this point. Actually gave up at the range today....

Was wondering if anyone had this issue and/or anyone know a fix? Is it possibly just as simple as a stronger extractor spring? Thanks
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Did you thoroughly clean the chamber after switching ammo type? I had terrible extraction issues using Winchester M22. Switched to federal and things got better got a while then bad again. Upon inspection a wax had built up in the chamber and over time powder collected on the wax creating a grip that held rounds firm in the chamber after firing. Cleaning the chamber through fixed this problem and all is good now.

The issue is the cheap Winchester ammo I was using had a thick coat of wax on the bullets that eventually built up in the chamber and caused poor extraction.
 
MattE93 said:
The issue is the cheap Winchester ammo I was using had a thick coat of wax on the bullets that eventually built up in the chamber and because the extractor slot is too thick to allow the claw to grip the rim propely, caused poor extraction.
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Fixed that for you :)
 
The extraction problem is common for Savage rifles for sure. But it's not like it isn't there for Ruger Bolt actions as well. Cold weather, waxy lube, and dirty Chambers will all contribute to the problem recurring regardless of the action used.

I agree it's frustrating absolutely, but I think going through the hassle of trading in your rifle and finding a similar problem with a Ruger would be more frustrating. The only difference is with the Ruger you have more aftermarket support to help resolve the issue.

To each their own. I have had nothing but problems with Ruger all of which required paying more money to fix. After market trigger, extractors, firing pins, magazine catch springs, barrels the list goes on. With Savage the problems Ive had have been fairly easily resolved with some minor bush league gunsmithing.

You buy a mass produced rifle based on it's low cost and you get a mass produced rifle that was built to tolerances allowed by the cost.
 
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