AK vs AR vs FAL

Pretty stupid tests. And being up in Canada, I doubt many people are having to defend themselves from Predator, covering themselves and their guns in mud to "hide their thermal signatures". Well, let's get real, that's not happening anywhere in the world...

The fact that people still perpetuate these old ass myths of ar's being unreliable and AK's not accurate worth a ##### is painful. I wouldn't want to be shot at with either.

That said, I've owned both and an ar15 is a much, much more refined weapon system, that's had decades of evolution (the civilian market in the US being a huge factor in that). The AK is still stuck in the 50's.

I'd shoot either, but 10 times out of 10 I would pick up the Ar15.

And that cleaning rod thread was a f*cking clown show. Bunch of LARP'ers playing in fantasy land.
 
kthomas said:
And that cleaning rod thread was a f*cking clown show. Bunch of LARP'ers playing in fantasy land.
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Thought that was good, did you see the thread where range LARP'er was auguring with soldiers and cops that sights are useless under 5m. Because he can hip shoot on the range and had half a tote of fired brass to prove he "trains" so all the people that have done it for real are wrong?

Shawn
 
shawn said:
Thought that was good, did you see the thread where range LARP'er was auguring with soldiers and cops that sights are useless under 5m. Because he can hip shoot on the range and had half a tote of fired brass to prove he "trains" so all the people that have done it for real are wrong?

Shawn
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Saw that sh*t show as well. This Coronavirus is really bringing out the crazies. Can't wait until they get away from the key boards and back to their LARPing fields (or whatever they're called).
 
Still alive said:
Oh, that one. I don’t like AKs. Never have, so never opened it. Thanks for the link.

And, yes, I’ve shot them. Handled Chinese, Russian, Yugo, American and Valmets. Meh...
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They are good at what they are designed to do - be an easily and cheap manufactured assault rifle that can be put in the hands of a conscript for use in the battle field.

It's a massed produced, cheaply manufactured POS, which was the design philosophy of the Soviet union. Much like a Yugo. I'll take a Ford over a Yugo, and likewise I'll take an ar15 over an AK, having been an owner of both.
 
kthomas said:
They are good at what they are designed to do - be an easily and cheap manufactured assault rifle that can be put in the hands of a conscript for use in the battle field.

It's a massed produced, cheaply manufactured POS, which was the design philosophy of the Soviet union. Much like a Yugo. I'll take a Ford over a Yugo, and likewise I'll take an ar15 over an AK, having been an owner of both.
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No.

AKs are not easy to make.
AKs are not cheap to make
AKs are not for just pushing in the hands of conscripts that have never used a gun before.

You don't know what you are talking about. Stop regurgitating "cheap commie" style phrases.

Actually research how an AK is made, why they were cheap to the Western market and how they ended up in so many developing nations during the cold war.

Then come back and talk to us.
 
Bratwurst said:
No.

AKs are not easy to make.
AKs are not cheap to make
AKs are not for just pushing in the hands of conscripts that have never used a gun before.

You don't know what you are talking about. Stop regurgitating "cheap commie" style phrases.

Actually research how an AK is made, why they were cheap to the Western market and how they ended up in so many developing nations during the cold war.

Then come back and talk to us.
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Can't say I know the economic numbers on production. You can feel free to enlighten me if you care to. Or not.

If a stamped metal AK costs near as much as my KAC SR15, then that's another strike against the AK. The KAC is much superior, and I'm saying that as an owner of both.

If the AK can't win the economic argument, then it loses to the ar15 on almost all fronts. It was a POS back then and a POS today.
 
kthomas said:
Can't say I know the economic numbers on production. You can feel free to enlighten me if you care to. Or not.

If a stamped metal AK costs near as much as my KAC SR15, then that's another strike against the AK. The KAC is much superior, and I'm saying that as an owner of both.

If the AK can't win the economic argument, then it loses to the ar15 on almost all fronts. It was a POS back then and a POS today.
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If you’re using a standard stamped AK as a comparison, shouldn’t you be placing it up against a standard government M16?

Just because you don’t like it does not make it a “POS”. Regardless of the performance comparison, half the world wouldn’t be armed with the AK for the last 60 years if the weapon didn’t work.
 
kthomas said:
Can't say I know the economic numbers on production. You can feel free to enlighten me if you care to. Or not.

If a stamped metal AK costs near as much as my KAC SR15, then that's another strike against the AK. The KAC is much superior, and I'm saying that as an owner of both.

If the AK can't win the economic argument, then it loses to the ar15 on almost all fronts. It was a POS back then and a POS today.
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To put it simply: Several nations with circa 1.4 Billion or more people with government funding produced 100 million or more AKs of various patterns over a 44 year period. Communist taxpayer funded not private sector.

That makes them cheap for other nations/communist groups to purchase. Or cheap for them to be given away as aid.

1989 onwards all of a sudden Capitslism is back, former USSR nations economies have had their GDP literally cut in half. They need money, have a lot of AKs and very weak currencies. Ta da, cheap AKs continue.

Today 29 years after the collapse of the USSR and Yugoslavia a large number of these AKs are sold. The armouries are being emptied and modern rifles are replacing them.

Very few people are making AKs in substantial numbers for the civilian market. Surplus is gone or limited/prices inflated in some markets by legal restrictions (922r/sporting purpose etc) or import bans (China / North Korea).

Lots are completely worn out, AKs are great but 50 years use in conflicts across Africa/Asia/South America will wear a gun out. Many AKs are scrap metal now.

The AR uses a completely different method of manufacture and is in far higher demand across Western markets.

Its not a POS it's a fantastic firearms for it's time.

Next time think before you type. The internet is full of rubbish/rumours/falsehood because people make statements like you did without ever thinking them through or doing research.
 
kthomas said:
Can't say I know the economic numbers on production. You can feel free to enlighten me if you care to. Or not.

If a stamped metal AK costs near as much as my KAC SR15, then that's another strike against the AK. The KAC is much superior, and I'm saying that as an owner of both.

If the AK can't win the economic argument, then it loses to the ar15 on almost all fronts. It was a POS back then and a POS today.
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You seems very much obsessed with video games like Call Of Duty. You dont own an AK in real world.
 
Bratwurst said:
To put it simply: Several nations with circa 1.4 Billion or more people with government funding produced 100 million or more AKs of various patterns over a 44 year period. Communist taxpayer funded not private sector.

That makes them cheap for other nations/communist groups to purchase. Or cheap for them to be given away as aid.

1989 onwards all of a sudden Capitslism is back, former USSR nations economies have had their GDP literally cut in half. They need money, have a lot of AKs and very weak currencies. Ta da, cheap AKs continue.

Today 29 years after the collapse of the USSR and Yugoslavia a large number of these AKs are sold. The armouries are being emptied and modern rifles are replacing them.

Very few people are making AKs in substantial numbers for the civilian market. Surplus is gone or limited/prices inflated in some markets by legal restrictions (922r/sporting purpose etc) or import bans (China / North Korea).

Lots are completely worn out, AKs are great but 50 years use in conflicts across Africa/Asia/South America will wear a gun out. Many AKs are scrap metal now.

The AR uses a completely different method of manufacture and is in far higher demand across Western markets.

Its not a POS it's a fantastic firearms for it's time.

Next time think before you type. The internet is full of rubbish/rumours/falsehood because people make statements like you did without ever thinking them through or doing research.
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+1
Btw, that guy's research is only limited to profile pictures.lol
 
Everyone should also remember what it means to live in a "free country".

People are free to pour mud on their guns and then shoot them.
 
faizi said:
You seems very much obsessed with video games like Call Of Duty. You dont own an AK in real world.
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I owned an AK47 variant when I lived in Montana. Not sure how many people in this thread arguing against my point have owned and used both weapon systems.

I live in Arizona now, can buy any AK47 variant available on the civilian market I want if my heart desired one.

I'm not bound to the same draconian firearm laws Canadian residents are.
 
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