Active-shooter Rapid -responce Lessons to learn

Just wondering?

Sylvertiger said:
So new report states that the shooter did not even have a firearms licence and used smuggled firearms across the border …
(Source: https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/cana...rom-us-police-say/ar-BB139N0l?ocid=spartanntp)

But yet Trudeau goes on another stupid rant about stricter firearm laws...not sure who is worse him or Bill Blair
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...:confused:..... It may well be simply a question of semantics, BUT isn't Murder at the top of the Criminal Code already? And it carries a nominal maximum penalty of Life behind Bars? ( Yes i know, 25 years max, but still nominally, life! ) So why would anyone seriously think that tightening gun laws is going to seriously deter those Criminally inclined when Life behind Bars has no appreciable effect on the Murder statistics as a deterrent? .......:confused: David K
 
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...:confused:..... It may well be simply a question of semantics, BUT isn't Murder at the top of the Criminal Code already? And it carries a nominal maximum penalty of Life behind Bars? ( Yes i know, 25 years max, but still nominally, life! ) So why would anyone seriously think that tightening gun laws is going to seriously deter those Criminally inclined when Life behind Bars has no appreciable effect on the Murder statistics as a deterrent? .......:confused: David K
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Now we can agree. We don't need new laws, just need to actually use the ones we already have. The biggest flaw of our judicial system is that judges have "discretion" when sentencing for what is supposed to be "mandatory" minimums. Sing a sad enough song in court and get a reduced sentence. We need judges to actually impose strict punishment using laws that are already in place.
 
I would trust a section of no hook infantry privates before the overpaid RCMP ERT team members that get better kit than JTF2 lads while doing worse than their predecessors armed with 38 special revolvers when the normal Canadian could still own full autos.
 
mildot said:
Personally things at the "higher echelon" of the RCMP have to change. Canada's Federal police force should not be "behind the curve' when it comes to equipment and training. Never mind passing more laws, how about 3-4 high quality training facilities that can operate similar to Blackwater, rural officers should get some ERT skills and SOP's. Why aren't those frontline officers wearing there "plates" and carrying there carbines, why aren't there low profile helmets with comms? Why the RCMP brass doesn't want to bring th force into the 21st century is beyond me. There are plenty of resources out there. Passing more laws and blaming "smuggling" is a delusion.
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Similar to Blackwater, how? Similar in the sense that they'll murder civilians or similar in the sense that we'll have a bunch of meatheads roaming Canada with taxpayer provided gear? We don't need military contractors and we definitely don't need even further militarized police. We need individuals who don't see other human beings as expendable or in killing them as a solution to some problem they're having and as a last resort we need the public, not the police, to be armed and prepared to defend their own lives. We also need the people who are running our lives to permit the us to use our guns for self defence.

If this dude wanted to steal cars, run a chop shop and grow weed then he should be allowed, though he should have understood that theft is wrong, but ultimately it's up to the victim to defend themselves and their property. No cop could have stopped him as he entered a home or stopped a vehicle to kill the occupants. The only thing that could have prevented those murders would have been armed civilians.

Police can't protect you from everything, and they routinely fail to protect us from anything.
 
apexanimal said:
people saying the rcmp need better (more expensive) kit...maybe you didnt see the response team at the ns gas station with over 100k worth of kit on between them including comms and brand new cc rifles the army doesnt even have...id rather see those rifles with soldiers who need them; the rcmp doesnt need better kit than the military to respond to the one mass shooting of note that happens every 30 years in this country.

Also those complaining about rcmp salary and that its too low... You should probably not be a cop if youre doing it for the money, and if 86k a yr (within 3 yrs) with full retirement after 25 yrs isnt enough for you go work somewhere else...

No gucci kit or salary increase would have prevented or stopped this killing spree sooner. What would have prevented deaths would have been the implementation of a system already in place that was just not used in favor of twitter. Incompetence cost lives.
Now is the time for extreme ownership, not blaming your kit or pay or training.
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jocko!
 
Aestus said:
I would trust a section of no hook infantry privates before the overpaid RCMP ERT team members that get better kit than JTF2 lads while doing worse than their predecessors armed with 38 special revolvers when the normal Canadian could still own full autos.
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lol. There are many people on this board who have been on both sides of the mil/LE coin. Statements like this show total ignorance of the differences between the jobs that the MIL side does and LE does. LE tac teams guys are quite often ex military. The guys who arent ex mil are usually very switched on. Do you not think RCMP ERT trains with JTF alot?

Try to wrap your head around the fact that closing with and destroying the enemy is quite different from attempting to arrest a person in Canada under the rules of the criminal code and various oversight bodies. Also, incidents like this catch people by surprise. I have never been to Nova Scotia, but i will guess that that isn't a very population dense. It takes time to gather resources to respond. filtering the info coming in is chaotic.

Lots of keyboard warriors here who haven't been in a fight are all experts in tactics. I am FAR from saying the RCMP does not need to improve and self examine. but statements like this remind of of a guy who has never turned a wrench on a car #####ing about how the mechanic does his job.
 
Bill Blair is a sock puppet , if you have seen any of his interviews with others you can tell he is old school policing( bully in my mind) he cut off the rcmp spokeswoman this last week basically talking over her like she didn't matter.
 
FyreFighter said:


No, the state should not give authority and the firearms to enforce that authority to people who lack the judgement, maturity or self-control to avoid a criminal record.
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SO if your a rich kid from suburbia, you should get the privilege of working in law enforcement because mommy and daddy could afford a lawyer?

I know some guys in the trades that are by far more upstanding and level headed than some of the guys I know pushing a black and white. Also some of the stoner, drug pushers from high school are now cops. but the criminal record. Thats the lens which we can determine ones morality.
 
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The bottom line:

The initial attack by the ruthless deranged maniac could not be stopped by anyone.

However all of the victim's after 6 am are on the RCMP leadership's failure to issue an alert that would reach the majority of people before they started to go about their day.

What was Minister Blair doing all night? He is ultimately responsible for public safety. Did he not understand the critical nature of alerting citizens that there was a ruthless killer still on the loose at 6:00 am? This failure resulted in many additional innocent lives being taken unnecessarily. Is the Liberal Government and the RCMP going to sweep this failure to notify under the rug? After almost 10 hours why did Heidi Stevenson not have proper backup?

I think Minister Blair needs to be held accountable for his lack of action and lack of leadership instead of trying to deflect blame on law abiding citizens and gun owners.
 
slarsen47 said:
The bottom line:

The initial attack by the ruthless deranged maniac could not be stopped by anyone.

However all of the victim's after 6 am are on the RCMP leadership's failure to issue an alert that would reach the majority of people before they started to go about their day.

What was Minister Blair doing all night? He is ultimately responsible for public safety. Did he not understand the critical nature of alerting citizens that there was a ruthless killer still on the loose at 6:00 am? This failure resulted in many additional innocent lives being taken unnecessarily. Is the Liberal Government and the RCMP going to sweep this failure to notify under the rug? After almost 10 hours why did Heidi Stevenson not have proper backup?

I think Minister Blair needs to be held accountable for his lack of action and lack of leadership instead of trying to deflect blame on law abiding citizens and gun owners.
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Couldn't agree more.
 
Trustme said:
SO if your a rich kid from suburbia, you should get the privilege of working in law enforcement because mommy and daddy could afford a lawyer?

I know some guys in the trades that are by far more upstanding and level headed than some of the guys I know pushing a black and white. Also some of the stoner, drug pushers from high school are now cops. but the criminal record. Thats the lens which we can determine ones morality.
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So you believe your opinions...like "I know some guys in the trades that are by far more upstanding", which has no quantifiable value...is more important than the objectively factual statement someone has a criminal record? You seem to be suggesting that since the police don't have a crystal ball, then no criteria can be used. I disagree.
 
winruger said:
Well I see still no real talk about actual legal self-defense. If I could carry I would every single day. And practice practice practice. but this is Canada...sigh. Still the case of only good guys with guns stop bad guys with guns. But Canadians are only allowed to be prey, not good guys with guns....just sayin...
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Yes this should be the number one priority, but the statists will bend over backwards generating endless state protocols so that they can maintain the governments falsely perceived status and image as protecter and provider. All the while denying the most effective means of mitigating a reoccurrence.
 
All in fun said:
So you believe your opinions...like "I know some guys in the trades that are by far more upstanding", which has no quantifiable value...is more important than the objectively factual statement someone has a criminal record? You seem to be suggesting that since the police don't have a crystal ball, then no criteria can be used. I disagree.
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Past behaviour and documentation of same can be telling, but what really matters is here and now going forward.
Entrance testing is where you separate suitable from unsuitable.
If you aren’t getting what your looking for the screening process is not adequate for the stated purpose.
 
Aestus said:
I would trust a section of no hook infantry privates before the overpaid RCMP ERT team members that get better kit than JTF2 lads while doing worse than their predecessors armed with 38 special revolvers when the normal Canadian could still own full autos.
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I'm in the Infantry and while I will not undermine my trade, I would NOT trust a section of no hooks infanteers to do ERT jobs.

There was a time where this statement would have been true, based on what I deal with on a regular basis, yoi couldn't be more wrong and you are clearly speaking about stuff you know nothing about.

IRT to kit: things evolve. Do you want ERT guys sporting the '80s swat style equipement ? Welcome to 2020: high cut helmets and plate carriers are the norm (except in the Army, haven't had my coffee yet so I'm not going there). C8s with short barrels replaced MP5 and so on... I question the multicam choice, I think ranger green or urban grey would be more suited for ERT but at that point it become tactical fashion and I don't care.

Most ERT guys are great to work with, most of them are "barely cops" meaning they don't carr about tickets and all the day to day cop stuff. You get the usual hot head who looks down on people/think he is better, who is quickly put back in its spot when challenged.
 
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