I did this while living in a Barrio of Santiago, D.R. Just about everyone in the area had break ins except for me and my next door neighbor.
Bird Shot in your Home Defense Shotgun
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I did this while living in a Barrio of Santiago, D.R. Just about everyone in the area had break ins except for me and my next door neighbor.
"Split peas and rock salt" was the saying. But maybe the old timers loaded whole dried peas which were found to have split when the kids were picking the pieces out of their backsides, causing the misunderstanding.
rommelrommel
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Buckshot between #4 and #00. No need to be obtuse about the use intended use here and less lethals. If you’re shooting someone it’s to save your life. Shooting them with birdshot is silly when better options exist.
I'm curious about the wax modified shot thing. Looking at a couple of tutorial videos on the how and the why of wax 'slugs', this actually seems like a valid approach for an HD shotgun in case resorting to such an extreme of violence ever proved necessary. The heat of any impact would instantaneously melt any wax, rendering any smaller shot a lot less lethal for those in adjacent rooms or homes. For anyone with a complex dwelling shared with other individuals or living in anything like a city in terms of house spacing this would make perfect sense. The heat of flying down a barrel, especially a shorter barrel such as the typical 12.5" to 18.5" barrels seen in many of the 12ga shotguns marketed in Canada as 'bear defence' or 'HD,' seems unlikely to melt much of the wax - more likely just the outer millimetre or two - leaving a substantial chunk weighing an ounce or so to do close to the same damage as an actual 1oz lead slug to the intended target (or to a wall if the target is missed), then instantly melt due to conversion of impact energy to rapid rise in heat, dispersing the pellets into an array which will much more easily be stopped by a layer or three of drywall.
Putting this reasoning together with what comedians like Burr and Chappelle say in jest (which they've gleaned from perfectly humourless sources), and adding in Paul Harrell's experiments with multiple drywall layers and several shot sizes, it seems just about everything confirms the superiority of a wax-modified shot shell for city HD use, and perhaps for rural use as well considering the risk to farm animals/pets/family members still sleeping. Perhaps 2 rounds of wax-modified shot, followed by slugs in case things remain serious after those first two? Or maybe just all wax-modified shot, with slugs to one side in case it becomes an ongoing battle (extremely rare circumstance, but it happens)?
By the way, listening to the livestream of Bret and Heather on Bret's 'Darkhorse' podcase (episode #21) just now, it's interesting to hear the take of these two left-leaning scientists (who have personal experience with being chased out of their jobs by radicals) on the subject of home defence with firearms against invading rioters. They've largely left the COVID-19 theme behind for the moment in light of all the violence unfolding in their new home of Portland. Bret talks about his conversation yesterday with a Homeland Security officer about that person's frustrations with various aspects which seem to be leading towards an inevitable application of lethal force used against rioters, something he really, really does not want to happen. Heather talks about a conversation with the mayor of Mill Valley, California, a beautiful and wealthy suburban community I've visited a few times, just passing through as a teenager then as a low-rent camping tourist. That mayor is being painted by her community as a racist, though plainly she is not anything of the sort. Things are drifting quickly towards the bad kind of anarchy. Conversations about 'safely' protecting ones' family are seemingly more and more relevant of late. With the CBC reporting this morning that the Vancouver BLM protest downtown was entirely peaceful is a blatant lie - anyone with eyes and an internet connection can have a look at the violent attack on 'journalist' (and rather troll-ish figure) Dan Dicks and immediately see that it was anything but peaceful. But the CBC and other mainstream media have an agenda, whether that be good intentions (don't talk about violence, it only makes things worse) or something darker (the Left is always good, the Right is always bad), doesn't really make much difference when it comes to truth in journalism. They're lying, and the threat of violence against citizens is distinctly on the rise. So this conversation certainly seems timely. The fact that many Canadian retailers are struggling to keep up with demand for HD styled shotguns seems abundant confirmation that many of us are well aware of the fact.
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And this is Dan Dicks being hit in the head by a full plastic water bottle, and having his GoPro stolen, here in downtown Vancouver yesterday, while under police protection by about 50 officers from the looks of the preceding minutes in his own 3hour+ stream:
Putting this reasoning together with what comedians like Burr and Chappelle say in jest (which they've gleaned from perfectly humourless sources), and adding in Paul Harrell's experiments with multiple drywall layers and several shot sizes, it seems just about everything confirms the superiority of a wax-modified shot shell for city HD use, and perhaps for rural use as well considering the risk to farm animals/pets/family members still sleeping. Perhaps 2 rounds of wax-modified shot, followed by slugs in case things remain serious after those first two? Or maybe just all wax-modified shot, with slugs to one side in case it becomes an ongoing battle (extremely rare circumstance, but it happens)?
By the way, listening to the livestream of Bret and Heather on Bret's 'Darkhorse' podcase (episode #21) just now, it's interesting to hear the take of these two left-leaning scientists (who have personal experience with being chased out of their jobs by radicals) on the subject of home defence with firearms against invading rioters. They've largely left the COVID-19 theme behind for the moment in light of all the violence unfolding in their new home of Portland. Bret talks about his conversation yesterday with a Homeland Security officer about that person's frustrations with various aspects which seem to be leading towards an inevitable application of lethal force used against rioters, something he really, really does not want to happen. Heather talks about a conversation with the mayor of Mill Valley, California, a beautiful and wealthy suburban community I've visited a few times, just passing through as a teenager then as a low-rent camping tourist. That mayor is being painted by her community as a racist, though plainly she is not anything of the sort. Things are drifting quickly towards the bad kind of anarchy. Conversations about 'safely' protecting ones' family are seemingly more and more relevant of late. With the CBC reporting this morning that the Vancouver BLM protest downtown was entirely peaceful is a blatant lie - anyone with eyes and an internet connection can have a look at the violent attack on 'journalist' (and rather troll-ish figure) Dan Dicks and immediately see that it was anything but peaceful. But the CBC and other mainstream media have an agenda, whether that be good intentions (don't talk about violence, it only makes things worse) or something darker (the Left is always good, the Right is always bad), doesn't really make much difference when it comes to truth in journalism. They're lying, and the threat of violence against citizens is distinctly on the rise. So this conversation certainly seems timely. The fact that many Canadian retailers are struggling to keep up with demand for HD styled shotguns seems abundant confirmation that many of us are well aware of the fact.
starts at 5:27:
And this is Dan Dicks being hit in the head by a full plastic water bottle, and having his GoPro stolen, here in downtown Vancouver yesterday, while under police protection by about 50 officers from the looks of the preceding minutes in his own 3hour+ stream:
Somewhere here, you can find Ganderite’s video tutorials on making wax slugs. His method is the best/fastest I’ve used, and will require a 16mm ceramic hole saw bit.
Found it! Thanks Kodiakjack.
By the way, some interesting discussion on the subject in the thread where I found the video link:
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?339590-Buck-amp-Ball-Once-again&
Cameron SS
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I guess the obtuse part is you failing to recognize that "better" is in the eye of the beholder.
Cameron SS
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I guess the obtuse part is you failing to recognize that "better" is in the eye of the beholder.
Yeah 00 buck is good for cops who care more about going home to their children then protecting yours.
Also, not sure if you read my posts, but I readily indicate there is a time and place for 00 buck.
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Let's all agree, that whatever the chosen load, it's better than waving your #### at the intruder. Group hug.
(Me: 00 buck, #4 buck, and 2-3/4" magnum slugs if the intruder is a black bear)
(Me: 00 buck, #4 buck, and 2-3/4" magnum slugs if the intruder is a black bear)
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rommelrommel
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Round accountability is a thing you know, even with birdshot. If you're shooting a gun in your house thinking your kids are safe because of drywall nothing can save you.
No kidding, I don't see how a blast of birdshot tearing through the wall and horrifically wounding your family member is any better than buckshot.
One thing birdshot has going for it is that you can reliably stop it with a strategically located bookshelf or some other nonconspicuous makeshift barrier.
At the very least the pellets should be mostly spent and deformed if they actually make it to the wall.
#4 buckshot isn't all that hard to stop either, but I'd want to beef up my barriers a bit.
At the very least the pellets should be mostly spent and deformed if they actually make it to the wall.
#4 buckshot isn't all that hard to stop either, but I'd want to beef up my barriers a bit.
Right?!
