Yes, there is poaching happening in SE Ontario. I have seen the aftermath and reported it to the proper authorities. I also have an annoying problem with trespassers, we run trail cameras to watch the game and catch trespassers, funny how they jump a gate, we get the picture, and then they get mad when we block their vehicle in and don't let them leave until the police arrive. There has been some heated arguments over that!
is poaching real in your neck of the woods?
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One of the major factors in the decline of the Ya Ha Tinda elk herd is Native "subsistence " hunting. Kill a cow elk in winter or early spring and you're killing two. No matter to them.
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Oh yes, I know it's a problem, just like bears being poached for gall bladders to satisfy strange medicinal needs...but singleing out ethnic groups as perpetrators will get this thread locked.
safe to say that wherever edible or trophy animals exist in the world there are poachers at work.
There is a big underground market for wild game meat in BC and Vancouver island elk are getting hit hard by poachers supplying that market.
region 3 , 4 and 8 deer have also been hit hard by these poachers.
most will get their licenses (hunting and firearms) and hunt in open seasons but they don't cancel their tags and make repeated trips.
I met a guy thru a jobsite a few years ago and he was bragging about it and told me if I ever wanted to sell deer or elk meat to look him up.
He might have been brown..... but he was certainly not Indigenous. The conversation had started because I had mentioned I was metis to another worker I had been conversing with and this poacher guy butted into our conversation.
but yes..... poaching by land and sea is rampant in British Columbia and I will bet real money that the poaching we all need to be worried about is not being carried out by FN and Metis in this province. We need another 100 conservation officers at least in this province to deal with it.
I ice fished 4 days out of every week (almost) from Christmas to mid april and I did not see a CO the entire time even though I was fishing popular lakes close to town. We have hundreds if not a couple thousand lakes around here and I think 2 CO's station out of our town full time. I actually saw one yesterday blast by my house towards town with the lights and sirens on which I thought odd.
anyhow.....
There is a big underground market for wild game meat in BC and Vancouver island elk are getting hit hard by poachers supplying that market.
region 3 , 4 and 8 deer have also been hit hard by these poachers.
most will get their licenses (hunting and firearms) and hunt in open seasons but they don't cancel their tags and make repeated trips.
I met a guy thru a jobsite a few years ago and he was bragging about it and told me if I ever wanted to sell deer or elk meat to look him up.
He might have been brown..... but he was certainly not Indigenous. The conversation had started because I had mentioned I was metis to another worker I had been conversing with and this poacher guy butted into our conversation.
but yes..... poaching by land and sea is rampant in British Columbia and I will bet real money that the poaching we all need to be worried about is not being carried out by FN and Metis in this province. We need another 100 conservation officers at least in this province to deal with it.
I ice fished 4 days out of every week (almost) from Christmas to mid april and I did not see a CO the entire time even though I was fishing popular lakes close to town. We have hundreds if not a couple thousand lakes around here and I think 2 CO's station out of our town full time. I actually saw one yesterday blast by my house towards town with the lights and sirens on which I thought odd.
anyhow.....
I've been up on the connector at least once a week since March.. Just starting to leaf up and lots of clear cuts..
This year I haven't seen one moose and only a handfull of deer , not one black bear
All the roads were kept snowed in except Bear Main for 20 km down
So I'm thinking most everything is shot out
Poachers don't report their kills .. So the ministry is just carrying on like there's lots of game???
This year I haven't seen one moose and only a handfull of deer , not one black bear
All the roads were kept snowed in except Bear Main for 20 km down
So I'm thinking most everything is shot out
Poachers don't report their kills .. So the ministry is just carrying on like there's lots of game???
Yes, it is. Sadly. - dan
I realize that you are in Australia mate, so please accept my explanation with the spirit with which it is written.
We have some sensitive issues regarding aboriginal rights, landowner rights and the conflicts that can arise. We have had a recent shooting/killing incident where poaching was suspected as a possible motivating factor.
This website is perused not only by the Canadian firearms community but also by those with agendas that are at odds with ours. We have had journalists as members who have gathered information by starting threads and then have used that information, offered freely to them, to do us harm.
Please don't take offense.
Love your hunting threads.
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Tomasaurus
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Hello and welcome to the incriminate yourself and others thread. Obviously people poach (in minecraft), but I have never poached officer.
rifleman762
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The worst I've personally seen is someone shooting off a paved road into private property after shooting light. I was quite surprised they'd be so dumb since the houses there were only about 1km apart. Medium sized acreages.
I've also seen fresh dirt bike tracks along the Great Divide Trail, many km into a no vehicle area (including bicycles). And huge fresh ATV mudholes along a trail that's been closed to motor vehicles for years. Good thing is the CO wrote a lot of tickets that week. I wish they'd seize the vehicles, too.
I had a certain ethnicity in BC ask if they can dig through a black bear gut pile... doesn't bother me! Heck, in AB I gave a gall bladder away to a gentleman at work. Perfectly legal here as long as there is no trading or selling going on. CO made sure I was clear on that in no uncertain terms
. I keep the bear meat, too, so don't hate on me .
So lots of rule breaking and trespassing, for sure.
As far as people actually hunting out of season or shooting illegal animals and exceeding bag limits, I've only seen one ethnic group doing that but they have the right, according to the courts. Nuff said.
I've also seen fresh dirt bike tracks along the Great Divide Trail, many km into a no vehicle area (including bicycles). And huge fresh ATV mudholes along a trail that's been closed to motor vehicles for years. Good thing is the CO wrote a lot of tickets that week. I wish they'd seize the vehicles, too.
I had a certain ethnicity in BC ask if they can dig through a black bear gut pile... doesn't bother me! Heck, in AB I gave a gall bladder away to a gentleman at work. Perfectly legal here as long as there is no trading or selling going on. CO made sure I was clear on that in no uncertain terms
. I keep the bear meat, too, so don't hate on me . So lots of rule breaking and trespassing, for sure.
As far as people actually hunting out of season or shooting illegal animals and exceeding bag limits, I've only seen one ethnic group doing that but they have the right, according to the courts. Nuff said.
Very real around here. A moose was poached about a mile from me a year ago. I had a conversation with a CO a few years back and he told me he laid a slew of charges with several different groups for shooting moose without an appropriate tag. Some guys just don't care about game laws and will do whatever they think they can get away with.
“ Vancouver Island conservation officers report surge in elk poaching”.
One month 15 poached, most pregnant cows and that’s what was found. Seems every couple months there’s a big story on how many more have been poached. This is a pretty small glimpse into what’s happening everywhere
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/beta.ctvnews.ca/local/vancouver-island/2020/4/23/1_4909059.html
Even the chiefs getting caught poaching,
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.3526406
It’s bad in BC I know that much. Last fall someone poached 3 caribou out of the Kennedy siding herd I think there’s less than 50 left in that herd. Not uncommon to find black bears without gall bladders around here. There’s is a pretty rampant black market meet trade around here. Salmon/moose/elk
One month 15 poached, most pregnant cows and that’s what was found. Seems every couple months there’s a big story on how many more have been poached. This is a pretty small glimpse into what’s happening everywhere
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/beta.ctvnews.ca/local/vancouver-island/2020/4/23/1_4909059.html
Even the chiefs getting caught poaching,
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.3526406
It’s bad in BC I know that much. Last fall someone poached 3 caribou out of the Kennedy siding herd I think there’s less than 50 left in that herd. Not uncommon to find black bears without gall bladders around here. There’s is a pretty rampant black market meet trade around here. Salmon/moose/elk
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So the truth gets threads locked? In the case of the moose I mentioned, I called in the dead carcasses to local fish and wildlife. This was in a particular region where I was working and I would find a couple new carcasses every month. Each time I would call it into the bush cops. I was eventually called by the head of the regional fish and wildlife unit and he thanked me for my diligent reporting. He said they had investigated and found that the moose had been shot by a local indian tribe, and they even caught some of the yahoos in the act. He told me he wanted to throw the book at them but was directed by higher ups not to do a thing. Their indian status protected them and nobody in the government was willing to go to court for it. In the two years I worked in that area, I called in about 30 dead moose; cows, calves and immature bulls.
If you don't think that indians have been given carte blanche by the government to use and abuse our natural resources however they want and that they don't take advantage of that, you have your head in the said. To suppress those facts is to continue the cycle of abuse. I've seen the destruction first hand, and I've seen indians stand up to their brethren in an attempt to stop it. My adopted brother is part indian and his (our?) grandfather is full blood status indian and a true advocate for protecting wildlife. He himself has regularly picked fights with the indian bands in the Fraser Valley of BC for their wanton abuse of the Fraser River salmon runs. He's taken on indian bands in the Thompson-Nicola region for killing moose and deer. He's attended and spoken at indian affairs events and worked with governments to provide education and resources for the preservation of our game species. Much of it has fallen on deaf ears, due in part to the government's unwillingness to appear "racist".
One of the things he has said stuck out to me; "The greatest misconception white men have of the indian is that we're stewards of the land. The only reason the fish and game were still plentiful when white men arrived is because there were never enough of us to make a dent."
I don't care who is poaching; white, brown, indian, chinese, black, orange, or purple. I'll call them out and I'll call them out by name. You'll notice I called out the Albertan rednecks too...they're white and just as guilty of harming our wildlife numbers as the indians in the region.
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Why is it a issue with ethnicity?
Most of the poachers I know(of) , are of the pale face variety.
Most of the poachers I know(of) , are of the pale face variety.
maple_leaf_eh
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Two or three stories about poaching (ie illegal hunting) in Quebec. When I was growing up, there was a commercial kidnapping for ransom. The victim either escaped or was released. The perpetrators were soon arrested. Great chaps they were, the newspapers made sure to report on their past extra-legal activities and records. If they were going to kidnap a bank manager, what would stop them from going after the deer herds for meat sales?
A hundred odd miles away, there used to be big problems with immigrant gangs from Montreal running drives on private land to get their deer. Same sort of people who in Europe shoot songbirds for the soup pot. Never mind the locals objected and would call the cops regularly, somehow come hunting season there were agreements to let these people come hunt. If you are used to pushing around shop keepers, restaurant owners, car dealers, and other businesses in the city, you know the tricks of the trade to intimidate a couple of old guys farming small plots. As the drug and protection rackets changed from one ethnic group to bikers and others, this problem seems to have gone away.
Finally, a good friend used to patrol a large piece of forested land north of Ottawa for the landowner. The property is big, heavily forested, well watered, and has limited access from the main roads. My friend routinely found campsites in the bush with Chinese food wrappers, cheap camping equipment, meat poles and other clear signs of occupation that weren't about berry picking. He'd tear down the camps, fell trees on the lanes, and do as much as he could to disrupt the return season. The cops knew these were bear gall bladder killing operations, but with meth labs and vicious weed grow ops in the area, they had bigger problems to go after. I asked if he was afraid they'd try to burn out the landower? He said no, too far from the gang's comfort zones and too much trouble for the return they would get instead of just moving on.
A hundred odd miles away, there used to be big problems with immigrant gangs from Montreal running drives on private land to get their deer. Same sort of people who in Europe shoot songbirds for the soup pot. Never mind the locals objected and would call the cops regularly, somehow come hunting season there were agreements to let these people come hunt. If you are used to pushing around shop keepers, restaurant owners, car dealers, and other businesses in the city, you know the tricks of the trade to intimidate a couple of old guys farming small plots. As the drug and protection rackets changed from one ethnic group to bikers and others, this problem seems to have gone away.
Finally, a good friend used to patrol a large piece of forested land north of Ottawa for the landowner. The property is big, heavily forested, well watered, and has limited access from the main roads. My friend routinely found campsites in the bush with Chinese food wrappers, cheap camping equipment, meat poles and other clear signs of occupation that weren't about berry picking. He'd tear down the camps, fell trees on the lanes, and do as much as he could to disrupt the return season. The cops knew these were bear gall bladder killing operations, but with meth labs and vicious weed grow ops in the area, they had bigger problems to go after. I asked if he was afraid they'd try to burn out the landower? He said no, too far from the gang's comfort zones and too much trouble for the return they would get instead of just moving on.
