My 22 shoots 1/2" groups at 50 yards/meters all day! Really? Prove it!

Barking up the wrong tree! Scuba can shoot. He’s skilled and I can attest to the accuracy of a couple of his rifles. Not all people are the same. I have a fair number of rifles as well as many other members that will easily make the challenge. Have I ever posted one? NO. So that means I’m lying? Ha ha I have zero to prove to anybody but myself and I’m real happy in what I can do.Anybody that knows me knows what my rifles can do, cuz they’ve fired them. Truth be known I’m not bright enough with electronics to be able to post pictures. That’s the truth and it’s sad but also funny and once again, don’t really care!
 
grauhanen said:
Perhaps you're right. Now that they know that nothing is needed other than breathing and follow through, surely more of those shooters with Bergara and the likes will post successful challenges just as you have. At the same time, it's possible that the absence of those rifles indicates that many of them may not be up to the challenge even when the secrets of breathing and follow through are practiced. Time will tell.
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Maybe I worded my post poorly, I was just saying that for me those are the biggest factors that determine whether I will have a successful target off the bench or not (with my chosen equipment). I can't speak for others. If there are other shooters out there like me finding there are more factors at play when shooting a barricade and/or multiple targets at different distances then perhaps they are gravitating to that type of shooting for a more shooter based challenge.

And I'm not saying that this challenge doesn't take shooter skill because it does. There's just less that the shooter can do wrong (again speaking for myself).
 
grauhanen said:
Welcome to CGN with your first post.

There's no need to debate in this thread or to make false assumptions or misleading insinuation. My comments were not made with regard to Vudoo or RimX rifles and did not mention them in any way whatsoever. Perhaps you're aware there's a world of difference between a rifle with a barreled action alone that's $2500 for a Vudoo and $1700 for the RimX action (plus more for the barrel) and those I referred to above, the Bergara, CZ MTR, Tikka T1X, and other mass produced factory rifles. Posters and readers would do well to remember that this is a thread of specific nature. Those who wish to discuss other types of shooting are welcome to do so in related threads.



Perhaps it's indeed too troublesome, perhaps not. Of course you realize it's a like someone boasting "I can run a sub-four-minute-mile but I don't feel like proving it." Why don't you prove my skepticism is entirely unfounded?;)
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https://www.instagram.com/p/B8zlGiaJIQE/?igshid=1igxp05hzvut5
Ammo testing a Bergara
https://www.instagram.com/p/BzxrwU9gJDg/?igshid=1rc4yy0dt4sy
My cz 457 mtr
All I was saying is I really don’t need my name on a list, I like to see where guys are but not my cup of tea looking for recognition. I would rather compete with myself that’s all. I might ask a question, or offer some advice but that is all this thread is to me, I enjoy the accuracy but would rather ring steel at 3-400. Yes this can be difficult and I do enjoy it, but it gets old quick
 
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scuba52 said:
https://www.instagram.com/p/B8zlGiaJIQE/?igshid=1igxp05hzvut5
Ammo testing a Bergara
https://www.instagram.com/p/BzxrwU9gJDg/?igshid=1rc4yy0dt4sy
My cz 457 mtr
All I was saying is I really don’t need my name on a list, I like to see where guys are but not my cup of tea looking for recognition. I would rather compete with myself that’s all. I might ask a question, or offer some advice but that is all this thread is to me, I enjoy the accuracy but would rather ring steel at 3-400. Yes this can be difficult and I do enjoy it, but it gets old quick
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I know you weren't responding to me but I'll just say that I don't post here for internet points. Like you I enjoy seeing what other people actually buy and use successfully and I figured I should contribute when I can.
 
My CZ 452 Ultra Lux with BBM ammo. Using a Caldwell bipod. I measured a single hole to see what to subtract off the average. I'm assuming that is the proper method. If not, let me know.

0.412
0.4385
0.316
0.4685
0.418
Average 0.4106

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I almost made it with my cheapest ammo. Federal Range Practice Match. The average was there but I had a bad group. It really shows how a nice gun can make an "average" brand of ammo look pretty good.

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It's centre-to-centre distance, so you measure the outsides of the most distant pair of holes and subtract bullet diameter, so .6785 - .22 becomes .4585.
 
old303 said:
It's centre-to-centre distance, so you measure the outsides of the most distant pair of holes and subtract bullet diameter, so .6785 - .22 becomes .4585.
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But if the hole the ammo prints is smaller than .22 it would change things. As it did in both targets pictured.
 
Thanks. The BBM ammo groups really well in most of my "target" 22's. The wind has been pretty relentless in Manitoba this year. I finally got a day with no rain and less than 40km winds.
 
grauhanen said:
Nicely done. So long as no group is .500 or above it's good. You may be the first to have done it successfully with BBM ammo. For some people it has done well.
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He may be the first to post an entry using BBM, but nearly two years ago I thumped 1/2" with BBM. I'm not going to revisit the commentary about some people finding it difficult to do 5 groups in a row... I'll just leave these targets shot with BBM here :) There are 2 other things besides breathing and follow through that I pay attention to, but I'm not telling my secrets! :p



 
RabidM4U5 said:
He may be the first to post an entry using BBM, but nearly two years ago I thumped 1/2" with BBM. I'm not going to revisit the commentary about some people finding it difficult to do 5 groups in a row... I'll just leave these targets shot with BBM here :) There are 2 other things besides breathing and follow through that I pay attention to, but I'm not telling my secrets.
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Indeed, there's something to be said for a good lot of ammo -- and for keeping a few things secret.

Perhaps the final words on finding it difficult to do 5 groups in a row can be these by someone who's done it more than once:

The rifle plays a huge part, barrel quality is a considerable percentage of that, then ammo selection and tuning dials it in. Fact is, stringing together 5 groups under 1/2" is an impressive feat for the average .22 LR rifle, shooter notwithstanding. There is good reason the thread is entitled "My 22 shoots 1/2" all day", not "I can shoot 1/2" all day." Basic marksmanship skills enable a shooter to produce 1/2" "all day", extracting such performance out of a rimfire takes gunsmith knowledge and artistry.

You can think what you like about the shooter's role, but it cannot be denied that the rifle is primary. Simple logic proves it. Good rifle + good shooter = success, good rifle + poor shooter = possible success or failure. Bad rifle + good shooter = failure, bad rifle + bad shooter = definite failure. Nobody can succeed with a poor rifle, but only a poor shooter will fail with a good rifle, therefore the rifle is the most important factor. Yes, it is up to the shooter to live up to a rifle's potential, but I will place money down on the fact that the majority of shooters do not have their rifles tuned to their peak performance capabilities.
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In this view, to paraphrase Carville, "it's the rifle, stupid" with two other things -- gunsmith artistry and the shooter doing what's needed. Of course if the ammo isn't up to the job, it's all for naught.
 
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Longstud said:
I know the 1/4" club is within reach but youll have to do your part in the right conditions with quality ammo ur gun likes. You have the skill and now own the tool to do it. Great shooting and happy to see you with a Vudoo. I dream one day of owning one Haha. Try RWS R50 for the 1/4 ' challenge, Ive got a feeling itll work. Cheers Chris This is meant for jgraves!!!
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I'm convinced the rifle and this lot of Center-X will do 1/4", I'm just contributing 1/8" of movement with the rear bag I was using that evening. 5 groups under 1/4" will require a more stable rear bag on a still morning. I may try it just for the challenge but at this point I am confident I'm not missing ORPS targets because of the rifle or ammo. Going to a match with 1.25MOA of windage dialed from the previous range trip is another story f:P:2:

Jeff
 
Well I finally did it!! Woohoo. I was out yesterday evening, we had next to no wind and I was zeroing my new scope. After it was zeroed I figured I would try the challenge. I almost did it with pistol match but not quite so i grabbed a box of centre x and had some success. Im at work now but will try and monkey with photo bucket and see if i can post pics, unless some one would graciously post them for me. If anyone can oblige send me a pm and I will email the pics to you.
 
If everyone could put in the required info to there successful posts that would be great. The info needed is in the original post on the first page. And let’s try stay on topic and not stray to far from the challenge.
 
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