same load different groups???

Tokay444 said:
He only shoots virgin brass. He doesn’t need to fill length size anything.
Both fired cases out of the same chamber. Done.
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It'd still be worth pulling a bullet and comparing the old brass to the new before fire forming as well as after. Since the virgin unfired case capacity is the one in question and not the fire formed which doesn't account for factory sizing specs, just material thickness inconsistencies.

That said, unless you're tossing your brass every couple firings, you still need to FL size
 
It's a Remington 7600, 30-06. And no it's not the gun. Mind you it has been one picky sob to load for. 2 powders and 3 different bullets later I found what it wanted till now. That's why I'm really not happy with what's going on right now. I spent far too much time and money on finding the right load to have to go back to the drawing board when I did everything the same as last time. The new brass is way off, I'm done with it. It IS the brass.
 
trapoholic said:
It's a Remington 7600, 30-06. And no it's not the gun. Mind you it has been one picky sob to load for. 2 powders and 3 different bullets later I found what it wanted till now. That's why I'm really not happy with what's going on right now. I spent far too much time and money on finding the right load to have to go back to the drawing board when I did everything the same as last time. The new brass is way off, I'm done with it. It IS the brass.
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My own rule of thumb when reloading is: I select one bullet, one case, and primer and work around my load development with various powders. If you have concluded that it's the brass causing the inaccuracies, then go purchase different brass. Work around your bullet with various powders.
 
track said:
My own rule of thumb when reloading is: I select one bullet, one case, and primer and work around my load development with various powders. If you have concluded that it's the brass causing the inaccuracies, then go purchase different brass. Work around your bullet with various powders.
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I'm buying a box of Lapua brass.
 
trapoholic said:
It's a Remington 7600, 30-06. And no it's not the gun. Mind you it has been one picky sob to load for. 2 powders and 3 different bullets later I found what it wanted till now. That's why I'm really not happy with what's going on right now. I spent far too much time and money on finding the right load to have to go back to the drawing board when I did everything the same as last time. The new brass is way off, I'm done with it. It IS the brass.
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I really think you are chasing a ghost if you expect repeatable 1/4” groups (at 100yds) with a pump action. It is doubtful the bolt will lock tight enough for that level of consistency. Take a look at the “challenges” posted on this site (including the one for factory hunting rifles that requires only sub-3/4” groups) and there is not a single pump. Fact is, even factory bolt hunting style rifles capable of repeatable sub 1/2” groups are rare.
If you are convinced brass is the problem, just reload that which shot well. Also, shoot 5 shot groups while doing load development.
If I were shooting a 7600, I’d be happy with 1MOA level consistency.
 
trapoholic said:
It's a Remington 7600, 30-06. And no it's not the gun. Mind you it has been one picky sob to load for. 2 powders and 3 different bullets later I found what it wanted till now. That's why I'm really not happy with what's going on right now. I spent far too much time and money on finding the right load to have to go back to the drawing board when I did everything the same as last time. The new brass is way off, I'm done with it. It IS the brass.
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Hold on here a minute......

You’re getting 1/4” groups from a 7600 with peep sights? At a hundred yards?

Is the rifle for sale?
 
trapoholic said:
What happened?! Everything is exactly 100% the same as always. New Remington 30-06 brass, federal gold medal match 210 large rifle primers, reloder 16 powder. Only thing that changed was the lot number of the powder. 2" groups, my old loads with everything the same still shoot 1/4". What's goin on?!
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May I respectfully ask how many 1/4" five shot groups have you shot with this gun and load?
 
coyoteking said:
Hold on here a minute......

You’re getting 1/4” groups from a 7600 with peep sights? At a hundred yards?

Is the rifle for sale?
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It is not for sale, never will be. Sorry my man

Bad Bob said:
May I respectfully ask how many 1/4" five shot groups have you shot with this gun and load?
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4 shot group, but twice once I found the load. And a spike horn at 162 yards with peep sights with one shot as well. And yes, where I intended to hit it.
 
I have heard shooters declare their rifle is an “X” shooter after getting a single “lucky” group, but I have never bought into the idea that it is a true representation of the rifle’s capability. Personally, I am hesitant to declare my rifle us an “X MOA” shooter unless I have a reasonable expectation that it will perform reasonably close to what is expected on a regular basis. I generally withhold judgement until I can average three or four consecutive 5 shot groups on a single target (no cherry picked selection from amongst the best ever). Below is what four consecutive 5 shot groups (30 cal) look like. I know how difficult it is (for me) to hold 1/4 MOA using custom rigs and good reloading equipment. Curiously, some bullets are capable of exceptional consistency, and some just aren’t.
 
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My rifle just did it twice in a row. I didn't do anything special.

I collect pump rifles and can tell you from plenty of experience the ones who sneer at the prospect of them being accurate are bolt action fanboys, because they don't wanna admit that the working class man of rifles with it's free floated barrel can usual either shoot as well and often times better than they're couple grand bolt gun. They're a bush gun with prairie capabilities. Especially the 8 or so 308's I've bought and sold over the years both 760 and 7600 are inherently accurate with whatever you feed them. Brand or grain doesn't matter, as long as the ammo box says 308 Winchester it's gonna shoot good. Pretty sure it would group a ham sammich if you could load and fire it.
 
Sorry trap ... if you are telling us you shot two consecutive 5 shot 1/4” groups from a 7600 at 100yds with peeps ... I’m not buying. Got some pics?
 
JEC said:
Sorry trap ... if you are telling us you shot two consecutive 5 shot 1/4” groups from a 7600 at 100yds with peeps ... I’m not buying. Got some pics?
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4 shots each, cause... I got a weird ocd thing with even numbers like that and don't see the need for a entire gun load unless I'm hunting (don't make fun!) Peeps? No. Scope. I develop and test out my loads with a scope and put my peeps or open sights back on (depending which rifle) once I know for sure what it is capable of. That way if something dinks up or I don't like a group with my irons I know it's operator error.

Now my 7600 280 I got the 100 yard 12 shot target of that somewhere I'll take a picture of tomorrow. It's got 2 holes in it, must have farted on the last shot or something to open it up to 1/4"
 
JEC said:
Sorry trap ... I won’t buy that one either ... even if shot with a scope.
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Like I said, I'm not gonna get bent outta shape about it. The only person I got to vouch for my two 4 shot groups with my 30-06 is my 3 year old son.
The 12 shots with my 280 I've got my cousin, his wife and their 4 friends which I don't like any of the 4 of em and never met em before that day but they were there watch it.

Good shootin with your bolt gun though brother, keep on it and kill a pile of meat with it. Cheers my man.
 
trapoholic said:
4 shots each, cause... I got a weird ocd thing with even numbers like that and don't see the need for a entire gun load unless i'm hunting (don't make fun!) peeps? No. Scope. I develop and test out my loads with a scope and put my peeps or open sights back on (depending which rifle) once i know for sure what it is capable of. That way if something dinks up or i don't like a group with my irons i know it's operator error.

Now my 7600 280 i got the 100 yard 12 shot target of that somewhere i'll take a picture of tomorrow. It's got 2 holes in it, must have farted on the last shot or something to open it up to 1/4"
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That is world class shooting man. H:S:
 
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