Ipsc Classifications ?

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Just wondering, was it a mistake? How many are current. How many matches included ISC stages. How can one get current if the matches do not have the ICS stages?
How many will be returning next year or do you really care if you are classified. An inquiring mind would like some input.:popCorn:
 
or come on down to Windsor's Sin City Open... I believe the scuttlebutt is there will be at least one ICS...


oh yeah... the rest of your post contains valid questions but that's a whole other thread...
 
I'm classified, and like Slavex I dont care at all about it. I go to matches to have fun and meet old friends and make new ones... its a hugh social event to me.

I'm still giggling about the picture of Slavex and the bunny in the hotel lobby at the National a few years ago... did someone say... "The Keg" for supper?
 
Madness said:
inferior copy of the USPSA system
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BS. The IPSC version is a tool for average shooters to see how they compare to top shooters in the ROTW.

The USPSA version exists as a cash cow for money to pay their staff, to feed egos, and to help sand baggers claim prizes at matches. On top of classifier fees, the USPSA also has a Mission Count to get even more money out of shooters. Those reasons are why our club dropped USPSA like the money-hungry grabbers they are.
 
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txcapo said:
BS. The IPSC version is a tool for average shooters to see how they compare to top shooters in the ROTW.

The USPSA version exists as a cash cow for money to pay their staff, to feed egos, and to help sand baggers claim prizes at matches. On top of classifier fees, the USPSA also has a Mission Count to get even more money out of shooters. Those reasons are why our club dropped USPSA like the money-hungry grabbers they are.
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Ya ICS is FREE right :jerkit:
You could not sand bag in ICS at all could you !
 
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BS. The IPSC version is a tool for average shooters to see how they compare to top shooters in the ROTW.

The USPSA version exists as a cash cow for money to pay their staff, to feed egos, and to help sand baggers claim prizes at matches. On top of classifier fees, the USPSA also has a Mission Count to get even more money out of shooters. Those reasons are why our club dropped USPSA like the money-hungry grabbers they are.
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Well, USPSA also puts out the best membership newsletter I've ever seen with relevant, interesting articles as well as ads for people that actually support the sport.

They also pay for the RO's, CRO's and match staff at all of their sanctioned Nationals events. Considering that this includes food and hotels for around a week per event, that's a lot of money.

However, we do know that their classification is far inferior to our own systems, which are so good that we have different systems for each province, each of which is also different from the National and International Classifications systems, which are also so good that they weren't even used at the last World Shoot, and we end up in Canada with people grandbagging/sandbagging and ending up way off from where they should be. (I passed English 12, can you tell? :D )

I guess every other region gets that stuff for free.
 
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Ya ICS is FREE right :jerkit:
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I know you're a jerk-off, so no need for the childish symbol. If you use ICS, part of the fee is kicked back to Canada. How much of the classifier fee does USPSA kick-back to Canada?


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Well, USPSA also puts out the best membership newsletter I've ever seen with relevant, interesting articles as well as ads for people that actually support the sport.

They also pay for the RO's, CRO's and match staff at all of their sanctioned Nationals events. Considering that this includes food and hotels for around a week per event, that's a lot of money.
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They don't use classifier fees for Front Sight. Your membership fees and all the ads they sell pays for it and then some. They don't use classifier fees to cover staffing of matches. Your match fees cover those things.

You get nothing for free in the USPSA. They even charge for the scoring program. It's all about money, big money, but they usually lose money or barely break even every year.
 
Why would USPSA fees get kicked back to Canada? USPSA classifier fees go towards USPSA expenses, to expect otherwise is assinine. I've been told that the person who "created" ICS( re: looked at the USPSA's system and decided to bastardise it) gets a cut of the mission ICS fee, is that true? if so why?

ICS was a good idea, but it has turned into a complete joke. To start with the system is floating, I've won my class at nationals in the following order GM,M,A,then B. Countries where Hicaps are legal have an advatage on the medium course stages that are over 10 rounds that don't have a mandatory reload or on a comstock stage, since you have more extra "oh #### rounds". You can shoot the same stage at different matches on saturday and sundsay and both scores will get used on monday. There are too many stages, so not all of them have a legit high hit factor, or at least that was the case a few years ago. There should have only been a handfull of stages to use at the inception that allready had a HHF generated by the pros.

"You get nothing for free in the USPSA. They even charge for the scoring program. It's all about money, big money, but they usually lose money or barely break even every year."
Lets see, membership fee is lower, you get a newsletter/magazine thats actualy worth reading, you get discounts on car rentals, and they have a full time staffed head office. Even with paying for the scoring program ( I think afiliated clubs get it for free, maybe wrong on that) a USPSA member still gets more for the dollar then an IPSC member. So are saying that IPSC is not about making money? maybe we should compare IPSC's finacial report to USPSA's, oh wait, IPSC doens't publish one to their members. Where can I buy those IPSC cigars I've seen the Pres(Nick) smoking? How's the IPSC store doing in sales this year? Does IPSC get any money from the armscor match ammo program?
IPSC-ONT charges a mission count on Level 1's if you don't run a level 2 match every year. Part of the USPSA mission count stays in the state to help with the cost of sectional and/or state championships. I'm sure if the membership thought they were getting ripped off they would put a stop to it.
Nothing in the world is free but somethings are worth their price and others aren't
 
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Mike...can you be more precise in your attacks please :bangHead:

Some people don't understand the structure of IPSC accross the globe. You have mentioned IPSC provincially, nationally and Internationally. I have recieved two emails on this already...one asking me if I really smoke IPSC Cigars :runaway: The other one wasn't quite as funny

Maybe you could provide your audience with a bit more of a hint of who you have your sights on, then I won't have to defend issues that are two full levels over my head.

Regarding the one thing you did actually aim at IPSC Ontario...Level 1 Mission Fees:

As far as I'm aware we only charge a mission fee for Level 1 matches if a new member is using it as their qualifier match (to get their Blue Card Signed) but I'll double check on that...as soon as I finish my cigar :cool:


I will leave you to continue to :stirthepot2:
 
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In general USPSA is your best bang for your IPSC buck for all the reasons hungrybeagle said.

The ICS classifier system will never amount to anything as long as individual regions and provinces insist on their own "special", as in short bus special, classification systems.

It would also help if IPSC world actually used their classification system at major matches.

Mike
 
I am going to respond to the floating aspect of ICS. Lets say you are a new shooter in bicycle chain, wherever. You get a club up and running and you decide to do an ICS match. You pick 4 stages that are interesting to you and shot them. Unfortunately you pick the 4 stages that have never been shot anywhere else. You win all four stages and submit your scores. Well guess what you just became a grand master. Your thoughts of going to the nationals and hoping to win top D class have just gone out the window because in reality you shot about a 30% score at the few matches you do make. And you will stay as a GM for the rest of your life!

This brings us to the second part, using ICS at Nationals. For those who shot 90% or better scores, ICS does absolutely nothing for them since it doesn’t matter whither they are shooting GM or unclassified, both classes are shooting to win the match. However for the rest of us that are not as talented being able to go to the Nationals and have a chance to win an award is one of the reasons why we go. If it was not for the B, C and D classes at Nationals, we wouldn’t have much of a nationals. A quick review of the 07 nationals tells us the following.

Class GM, M, UC Total
Open 15 74
Production 4 58
Standard 5 80

Total 24 212
(I didn’t bother working in revolver or DQ’s on this)

Now if it wasn’t for those 188 other shooters paying their $195 each I don’t think it would have been a very large Nationals. OF course not figured into my calculations is the how many A class shooters would go as they would have a chance of winning the match as well.

Of course the big question is as an ex SC do I still have access to those IPSC cigars?
 
in my post "IPSC" refers to the world entity not one particular section.
Walter, your example is avoidable if all the stages that are available already have a legit HHF in place before they go out to the masses. Without that massive #### up their would be no need for a floating system.
B class standard shooters have a slim chance of winning their class at Canadain Nationals since they have to go up against a USPSA LImited/ Limited-10 Master. This is was not sandbagging, my drop in class is a result of shooting a classifer match in ####ty weather after setting it up and running everyone else through it, and having not shot in over a month before hand. There were USPSA stages in the match aswell but since their system is more thought out, all the scores were too low to be used in calculating my class precentage.
 
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txcapo said:
I know you're a jerk-off, so no need for the childish symbol. If you use ICS, part of the fee is kicked back to Canada. How much of the classifier fee does USPSA kick-back to Canada?



They don't use classifier fees for Front Sight. Your membership fees and all the ads they sell pays for it and then some. They don't use classifier fees to cover staffing of matches. Your match fees cover those things.

You get nothing for free in the USPSA. They even charge for the scoring program. It's all about money, big money, but they usually lose money or barely break even every year.
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I love you keyboard comandos. Tough guys infront of a computer screen.
Why would USPSA kick any thing back to Canada ?
 
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