EricCartmann
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- Las Vegas, NV
Just want to thank Canada for this kick a_$_$ stock. I would recommend this stock, especially for Poly's since they drop right in (I had problems getting the Springfield in)
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Had my M1A in the Marstar stock for about about 6 months now. All in all I am very satisfied with it. It was a pain to get it to work with the Springfield, Click here for the install process, but once we got it to work, it has been rock solid since.
I had a plain jane M14/M1A that worked pretty well. But I wanted something different and more modular... and I wanted something to look cooler. Being the Mall Ninja that I am, I am all about looks.
I chose the Marstar over the Sage because:
1) I did not like the cheek weld on the Sage Mod 0. With the Marstar it appeared from the pics that the cheek weld seemed pretty decent, and at the time, it appeared no riser was necessary.
2) I could choose whatever butt stock I pleased with Marstar.
3) Marstar comes with an integrated scope mount that sits lower. With the Sage I would have to dish out an additional $200-$300 for a quality scope mount that sits higher.
4) I got a good price on the Marstar.
Like I said, my M1A worked well. I had a cheap Chinese Famous Maker scope (paid about $150 for it) that worked great, and it sat on a Chinese copy 3rd Gen Scope mount. Paid $30 for this scope mount and it also worked great (once I shimmed the mounting bolt and put red loctite to it). Nothing was wrong with this set up and it got pretty good groups with South African (about 5-6" for 20 shot groups).
Here was my M1A before upgrading to the Marstar
20 shots with South African Ammo @100 yards, this is pre-Marstar and Leupold upgrade.
One note I should add about my synthetic stock in the pic above, is if you take the M1A apart to clean, it will takes about 40 rounds for the stock to settle in and get zero back. I do not have this issue with the Marstar.
I also got a Leupold Mark4 3.5-10x illuminated TMR for my M1A. Thought I would put that on the same time I put on the Marstar.
I wanted to get a Magpul CTR buttstock, but none were available for commercial tubes (the butt tube that came with my Marstar was Commercial). So I put on a complete Vltor Modstock (which I originally bought for one of my M4's).
Marstar with Vltor Modstock
Marstar at it's baptism at the range. 1st couple or range session went well.
I ran into 2 problems with the Marstar:
1) is the rails are smaller than milspec. So certain accessories will not work with the Marstar. I know this because all these accessories fit on my other railed rifles without issues. With the Marstar you will need accessories that clamp down smaller than milspec (the current foregrip, bipod adapter mount, and scope rings currently on my Marstar all clamp down smaller than true milspec mounts). I was kinda bummed I could not use my milspec scope rings on the Marstar though.
2) The Scope mount sits too low. Low is a good thing as you get the proper cheek weld, but in this case the mount caused some shells to get stiuck and jam the weapon between the mount and the op rod handle (sample pic below).
In this pic (this not my rifle): is a M1A with ARMs mount that I got off the web, basically the Marstar scope mount had the same problem as this.
My rifle did not get stuck shells with USGI CMI mags, but with my T57 mags I got about 1 out of every 10 rounds stuck like in the pic. These T57 mags always worked before. Someone told me to get a USGI extractor and ejector spring, but I had not issues with CMI mags, and I already had a complete TRW USGI bolt, so getting a new ejector and spring might not have have fixed the issue for me, also....
It bugged me that my 8 T57 mags were now useless. Most of all I hated the fact that I had a finicky battle rifle. So I thought what the hell, why not just relieve the scope mount like the way LRB does on their M25 receiver.
Once I did this, no more stuck shells! I like my guns to work even if it means I have to sacrifice looks a little. A battle rifle should just plain work when you asked it to.
LRB M25 Receiver
Here is how it looks on my Rifle after I made the relief cuts on the mount:
I big plus to the Marstar is it basically free floats the barrel by screwing the barrel to the stock via the gas block (provided by Marstar). For Surplus ammo this will not make a difference, but for Match ammo, the Marstar is about a 1/4 MOA more accurate than what I had before. Also another plus to the Marstar is it seems to all come back and align properly when putting it together after a cleaning. I know this because I do not really lose zero that much each time I clean (less than 1" at 100 yards).
Here is my Marstar in it's final configuration. With Magpul CTR buttsock. I finally found a commerical CTR for my commercial butt tube that came with the Marstar. I like Vltor a lot but it is better for a carbine and too short for the Marstar. The CTR is long enough so I am not putting my cheek/chin on the tube part. After much shooting I now know I will have to get a 1/2" riser from Magpul for my CTR to make the Marstar even better.
For my Marstar I get about 5-6" 20 shot groups with South African, 3-4" 20 shot groups with Prvi 168 gr, and I am sub MOA with Federal Gold Medal Match with 3 shot groups. I can't afford to do 20 shot groups with Federal Gold Medal Match =)
South African @ 100 yards, between 5-6" for 20 shot groups
Prvi 168 gr HP @100 yards, 3-4" for 20 shot groups
Federal Gold Medal Match 168 gr @100 yards, Sub MOA for 3 shot groups (everytime)
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Had my M1A in the Marstar stock for about about 6 months now. All in all I am very satisfied with it. It was a pain to get it to work with the Springfield, Click here for the install process, but once we got it to work, it has been rock solid since.
I had a plain jane M14/M1A that worked pretty well. But I wanted something different and more modular... and I wanted something to look cooler. Being the Mall Ninja that I am, I am all about looks.
I chose the Marstar over the Sage because:
1) I did not like the cheek weld on the Sage Mod 0. With the Marstar it appeared from the pics that the cheek weld seemed pretty decent, and at the time, it appeared no riser was necessary.
2) I could choose whatever butt stock I pleased with Marstar.
3) Marstar comes with an integrated scope mount that sits lower. With the Sage I would have to dish out an additional $200-$300 for a quality scope mount that sits higher.
4) I got a good price on the Marstar.
Like I said, my M1A worked well. I had a cheap Chinese Famous Maker scope (paid about $150 for it) that worked great, and it sat on a Chinese copy 3rd Gen Scope mount. Paid $30 for this scope mount and it also worked great (once I shimmed the mounting bolt and put red loctite to it). Nothing was wrong with this set up and it got pretty good groups with South African (about 5-6" for 20 shot groups).
Here was my M1A before upgrading to the Marstar
20 shots with South African Ammo @100 yards, this is pre-Marstar and Leupold upgrade.
One note I should add about my synthetic stock in the pic above, is if you take the M1A apart to clean, it will takes about 40 rounds for the stock to settle in and get zero back. I do not have this issue with the Marstar.
I also got a Leupold Mark4 3.5-10x illuminated TMR for my M1A. Thought I would put that on the same time I put on the Marstar.
I wanted to get a Magpul CTR buttstock, but none were available for commercial tubes (the butt tube that came with my Marstar was Commercial). So I put on a complete Vltor Modstock (which I originally bought for one of my M4's).
Marstar with Vltor Modstock
Marstar at it's baptism at the range. 1st couple or range session went well.
I ran into 2 problems with the Marstar:
1) is the rails are smaller than milspec. So certain accessories will not work with the Marstar. I know this because all these accessories fit on my other railed rifles without issues. With the Marstar you will need accessories that clamp down smaller than milspec (the current foregrip, bipod adapter mount, and scope rings currently on my Marstar all clamp down smaller than true milspec mounts). I was kinda bummed I could not use my milspec scope rings on the Marstar though.
2) The Scope mount sits too low. Low is a good thing as you get the proper cheek weld, but in this case the mount caused some shells to get stiuck and jam the weapon between the mount and the op rod handle (sample pic below).
In this pic (this not my rifle): is a M1A with ARMs mount that I got off the web, basically the Marstar scope mount had the same problem as this.
My rifle did not get stuck shells with USGI CMI mags, but with my T57 mags I got about 1 out of every 10 rounds stuck like in the pic. These T57 mags always worked before. Someone told me to get a USGI extractor and ejector spring, but I had not issues with CMI mags, and I already had a complete TRW USGI bolt, so getting a new ejector and spring might not have have fixed the issue for me, also....
It bugged me that my 8 T57 mags were now useless. Most of all I hated the fact that I had a finicky battle rifle. So I thought what the hell, why not just relieve the scope mount like the way LRB does on their M25 receiver.
Once I did this, no more stuck shells! I like my guns to work even if it means I have to sacrifice looks a little. A battle rifle should just plain work when you asked it to.
LRB M25 Receiver
Here is how it looks on my Rifle after I made the relief cuts on the mount:
I big plus to the Marstar is it basically free floats the barrel by screwing the barrel to the stock via the gas block (provided by Marstar). For Surplus ammo this will not make a difference, but for Match ammo, the Marstar is about a 1/4 MOA more accurate than what I had before. Also another plus to the Marstar is it seems to all come back and align properly when putting it together after a cleaning. I know this because I do not really lose zero that much each time I clean (less than 1" at 100 yards).
Here is my Marstar in it's final configuration. With Magpul CTR buttsock. I finally found a commerical CTR for my commercial butt tube that came with the Marstar. I like Vltor a lot but it is better for a carbine and too short for the Marstar. The CTR is long enough so I am not putting my cheek/chin on the tube part. After much shooting I now know I will have to get a 1/2" riser from Magpul for my CTR to make the Marstar even better.
For my Marstar I get about 5-6" 20 shot groups with South African, 3-4" 20 shot groups with Prvi 168 gr, and I am sub MOA with Federal Gold Medal Match with 3 shot groups. I can't afford to do 20 shot groups with Federal Gold Medal Match =)
South African @ 100 yards, between 5-6" for 20 shot groups
Prvi 168 gr HP @100 yards, 3-4" for 20 shot groups
Federal Gold Medal Match 168 gr @100 yards, Sub MOA for 3 shot groups (everytime)
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