.22 how dangerous is it?

Back in the 50''s, in and around Lincoln, Nebraska, Charles Starkweather killed about a dozen people, and he used a 22 rimfire. Never underestimate the power of that chambering. It can and does kill people on a regular basis. I absolutely shudder when I hear someone say: "It's not very dangerous, it's JUST a 22" Regards, Eagleye.
 
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This grizzly was taken with a .22 rifle.

My Dad was explaining to me the importance of shot placement vs caliber as a kid and said he met this woman when he worked out in that area awhile after this had happened:

http://www.brassmonkeyproductions.com/grizzly/Part3.html

Bella Twin:

Sometime around 1950 there began to be many accounts of grizzly bears in the Swan Hills. The Bella Twin incident is the most famous. She brought down a huge one with a puny 22-caliber rifle. It all happened on a spring day in 1953.

I have read several different accounts of this legendary story and even had the good fortune of speaking with her grandson. As tall-tales tend to be, they are all slightly different. Therefore, I will recount just what I believe to be the facts. There is an interesting side note as well, (R.W.H Eben-Ebenau) purchased this bear’s skull from Bella Twin.

With peashooter in hand, it looks fairly clear that she killed this big-boy out of self- defense. After firing a few shots, a bullet caught the bear in the eye, dropping it on the spot. She may very well be 1953’s luckiest person. It was again estimated to weigh about 1000 lbs. and was some kind of a record breaker. Break out the Boone and Crocket book and the skull measure 16 6/16 by 9 11/16 inches.

On more than one occasion, I have run across people slagging the Boone and Crocket records as being somewhat questionable. Even if their bookkeeping is not 100% accurate, no doubt about it, these are still sizable creatures.
 
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Way back when, I was young a foolish. Three of us young fellows went to Detroit on a Sat night. It was a pretty uneventful night. We played some pool and drank couple of beers then stopped for gas on our way back to Canada. There was a lot of traffic and noise around the gas station. After getting back into the car and heading for the bridge, I noticed my cousin rubbing his shoulder. Few mins later he realized he was bleeding. We had no US health insurance, so we made a run for the border. Never mentioned anything to customs and they let us through. I headed right for the hospital.
They found a .22 cal bullet in my cousin’s shoulder just under the skin. It must have been fired from a long distance through a window or from a roof top when we gassed up. They froze it a bit and removed it without surgery.
The hospital called police and we told them what happened. After a million questions or so the law decided to drop it.
Not one of us heard a shot, or even knew it happened. My cousin said he just felt a sharp pain in his shoulder like a cramp.
We had a close call that night. 25 Years later we still talk about it, and my cousin has the leather jacket with a bullet hole in it. Glad our sniper had used a .22 and nothing more potent
 
Way back when, I was young a foolish. Three of us young fellows went to Detroit on a Sat night. It was a pretty uneventful night. We played some pool and drank couple of beers then stopped for gas on our way back to Canada. There was a lot of traffic and noise around the gas station. After getting back into the car and heading for the bridge, I noticed my cousin rubbing his shoulder. Few mins later he realized he was bleeding. We had no US health insurance, so we made a run for the border. Never mentioned anything to customs and they let us through. I headed right for the hospital.
They found a .22 cal bullet in my cousin’s shoulder just under the skin. It must have been fired from a long distance through a window or from a roof top when we gassed up. They froze it a bit and removed it without surgery.
The hospital called police and we told them what happened. After a million questions or so the law decided to drop it.
Not one of us heard a shot, or even knew it happened. My cousin said he just felt a sharp pain in his shoulder like a cramp.
We had a close call that night. 25 Years later we still talk about it, and my cousin has the leather jacket with a bullet hole in it. Glad our sniper had used a .22 and nothing more potent

Here we go the power of .22 :) she lucky that she was hit the shoulder not something else.
 
Rammer, thanks for that story. It's been a while since I have seen that story. But it is always a good read about Bella Twin, and her amazing circus act.

Not to change the subject, but was it not on CGN, that I read a post not too long ago. That the grizzlies in the Swan Hill District are so big that it is believed by some biologists, that these bears should be considered a seperate sub-species, not unlike the prairie grizzly, long extinct?

Maybe some-one else can add to this, or tell me I am on something.....
Cheers
 
If you think 22's are not dangerous I dare you to stand in front of one. At anything inside 75 yards it can be lethal.

I encourage you to read this guy's story (see below) While undercover his partner got shot with a 22 Short and was "quote" immediately disabled by the pain. Fortunately, since the place was wall-to-wall fuzz and we had ambulances on call, he was OK, although he was never the same after being released from the hospital a month later. "unquote"

Post 277 (http://ww w.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=197873&page=19)
 
Yeah, for sure .22 is lethal, but it’s not that powerfull as larger calibers and you have to place a right shot in vital organs, head or heart for example, and it need to be for sure multiple shots. I hardly can imagine how you can put this shots right into vital organs when everyone is running. Larger calibers have more stopping power even if missed vital organ person will be knocked out of their feet for example and you can finish the job, but with .22….really hard to imagine, and yes you can whack 8 ppl with .22 if they immobilized, like tied up to a chair or something but not running and kicking, I’m pretty sure press is misreporting the caliber of firearm, it’s not .22 caliber. On a picture on yahoo it looks more like berretta and definitely it’s not the .22 caliber.

Did you ever think that at least some of those people might have been killed while they were cowering under tables or in corners? With 400 people in the school, at least some of them would have panicked and responded by hiding, paralyzed with fear.

And if the picture of the firearm in the news is accurate, it's a Sig Mosquito .22LR, as I previously stated.
 
If you think 22's are not dangerous I dare you to stand in front of one. At anything inside 75 yards it can be lethal.

I encourage you to read this guy's story (see below) While undercover his partner got shot with a 22 Short and was "quote" immediately disabled by the pain. Fortunately, since the place was wall-to-wall fuzz and we had ambulances on call, he was OK, although he was never the same after being released from the hospital a month later. "unquote"

Post 277 (http://ww w.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=197873&page=19)

I never state that .22 it's NOT dangerous, and I have no plans whatsoever to stand in front of .22 or other firearms, thank you.
 
About one-third of all the firearms suicides I have seen were done with a
.22lr.
It goes into the skull, and either ricochets or fragments and causes massive damage and death.

It is likely all the Finnish deaths were executed while hiding under desks, not running.

The school "lock-down" is a recipe for death IMO. You never hear about the rampage shooters chasing people down the street.
 
Knew a guy from back home who went upland hunting, Ludwig came back put the loaded 22 on the kitchen table and shot his aunt throug the liver, she died later that day.
22's are extremely dangerous...
 
22lr low recoil, high rate of accurate fire even for a newb. All this talk about bouncing around inside the skull/body is silly. I have never seen it happen on an animal. Was doing some balistic gel testing a wile back and found that american eaglel 38grain hp's don't expand out of a pistol, but tumble/go sideways at about 1.5". CCI velocitators were the most impressive out of a rifle for overall expansion/penatration.

The .22lr may not be a man/game stopper but it no doubt will kill effectively.
 
wasnt the .22 pistol with subsonics a favorite weapon of mob hitmen? its enough to penetrate the skull but not exit, and bounce around inside the skull. its also relatively quiet even without a silencer (ie: it wont be heard from outside a house).
you dont need a .44 magnum to kill someone.

Hitman's favorite firearm!

This was also told to me by a police officer. He was refering to a mob hit. The professional was brought into Canada for the hit, Shot the victom with a .22, and sent back to his country of origin. Basically Its quiet and leathal.
 
Thats what my firearm instructor said. He also said rimfire's only purpose was for killing humans and that a .17 rimfire would be illegal. After that I never really listened to anything non-safety related he said...


Makes me wonder how someone so ill informed rates instructor status. Sheesh.....

"Now a thutty-thutty son, there's an acceptable huntin' bullet"

What a Fudd.
 
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