SK Long Range 22lr Review

[hoytcanon]

In any analysis the more data the better, larger sample sizes and controls on mitigating and influencing factors... very small samples tell you very little, and can lead to dangerous conclusions... in this case it is simply fun and interesting.

 

[emerson]

This forum is for fun. Stubble isn’t presenting a doctoral thesis here. Glenn’s response is why people often choose not to post. It’s not a surprise that many drift away from firearms when some of the posters in this thread are the “gate keepers”. Like me constantly talking about how strong I am when someone talks about getting in shape. Stubble posted a couple of groups. He didn’t claim to be better than anyone. Dangerous conclusions are not a risk here. A Vuddoo shooting SKLRM into a couple of good groups isn’t a threat.

 

[hoytcanon]

This forum is for fun. Stubble isn’t presenting a doctoral thesis here. Glenn’s response is why people often choose not to post. It’s not a surprise that many drift away from firearms when some of the posters in this thread are the “gate keepers”. Like me constantly talking about how strong I am when someone talks about getting in shape. Stubble posted a couple of groups. He didn’t claim to be better than anyone. Dangerous conclusions are not a risk here. A Vuddoo shooting SKLRM into a couple of good groups isn’t a threat.

I think that is what I said... but this was posted as a "review."

It is an entirely different thing when someone posts and says; "Hey, guys....look at the group I shot."

 

[rlaunay]

Hey stubble, nice shooting man.

SK LRM is my choice of ammo to feed my vudoo as well, though I'm not sure I've had a target shoot sub 1/2" with it at 100.. that's a keeper for sure. You'll likely be pleasantly surprised when you start pushing it out further if you haven't already. Mine loves Center X at 50, slightly edging out the SK LRM, then at 100 center x and LRM are about on par, and at 200 the LRM consistently outperforms the Center X.

Definitely has the best bang for buck value imo.

**CGN Rimfire Disclaimer**
1. No puppies were harmed in the making of this post.
**

 

[a j cave]

Thanks for the post SJ. As I know how well you and your 22 shoot, it’s nice to see the results. I need to pick up some SK match and lr. The 100 yd range here is a lot nicer when it’s not as busy. Good shooting Al

 

[stubblejumper]

Hey stubble, nice shooting man.

SK LRM is my choice of ammo to feed my vudoo as well, though I'm not sure I've had a target shoot sub 1/2" with it at 100.. that's a keeper for sure. You'll likely be pleasantly surprised when you start pushing it out further if you haven't already. Mine loves Center X at 50, slightly edging out the SK LRM, then at 100 center x and LRM are about on par, and at 200 the LRM consistently outperforms the Center X.

Definitely has the best bang for buck value imo.

**CGN Rimfire Disclaimer**
1. No puppies were harmed in the making of this post.
**

Honestly, I expected Center X to be significantly better in my rifle than Standard Plus, but that hasn't been the case. I do see a few more fliers with Standard Plus, but most groups are quite similar. I will try the Long Range more at 50m, but they did as well as I am used to seeing with Center X, for the last couple of groups I shot at 50m. Once it warms up, I will do a lot more shooting, and I will have a better idea of how they compare.

 

[stubblejumper]

As there are only two targets shown in the review of SK Long Range ammo, we can't know how they were chosen.

It's not to cast aspersions to note that more evidence is better than less. For example, five groups of five shots each that are well under 1" would be much more convincing corroboration of the ammo's performance, that those results are, as you said, "no better than typical" for this ammo. If the SK Long Range is in fact that good, there's no reason to be reluctant to show persuasive evidence of what the ammo can do.

They were chosen, because they were the only 100m groups I fired during that session. I was going to shoot more, but a group of people showed up that I prefer not to shoot around, so I left for the day.

 

[horseman2]

This was shot at 100 yards. I am alway conscious of those first shots when the barrel has cooled slightly but would be remiss to suggest it could be the nut that hold the rifle of the jerk that pulled the trigger.

The first target was better but the first shot from a clean cold barrel is always high and left. This was shot for our newly formed Club Postal Shoot and the targets are scaled for 100 metres and 100 yards.

 

[marshall]

I started with a clean barrel, so I fired four groups at 50m to foul the barrel, and the last couple were well under 1/4", pretty much one oversized hole. Then I fired two groups at 100m, and some other people showed up at the range, and I quit for the day. Once it warms up more I will go out on a calm day , and see if I can do better.

Would have been good today +8 and no wind , which hardly ever happens in South Sk.

 

[stubblejumper]

Would have been good today +8 and no wind , which hardly ever happens in South Sk.

It was so nice, I joined some friends to shoot some sporting clays.

 

[skwerl]

I call 100m long range (LR), 200m Extra Long Range (ELR), and
350m plus Ultra Long Range (ULR) for .22 rimfire .
Along with the Mark & Sam from Australia way of categories.

 

[skwerl]

This was shot at 100 yards. I am alway conscious of those first shots when the barrel has cooled slightly but would be remiss to suggest it could be the nut that hold the rifle of the jerk that pulled the trigger.

The first target was better but the first shot from a clean cold barrel is always high and left. This was shot for our newly formed Club Postal Shoot and the targets are scaled for 100 metres and 100 yards.

Mel , your shooting makes me proud to know you Sir ..

 

[Mystic Precision]

Honestly, I expected Center X to be significantly better in my rifle than Standard Plus, but that hasn't been the case. I do see a few more fliers with Standard Plus, but most groups are quite similar. I will try the Long Range more at 50m, but they did as well as I am used to seeing with Center X, for the last couple of groups I shot at 50m. Once it warms up, I will do a lot more shooting, and I will have a better idea of how they compare.

And that is really the reason many will compete with CenterX vs SK Std plus. When testing, count all shots because those flyers mean a missed target.

For just a day out shooting, do whatever puts a smile on your face... but I have seen many shooters discount flyers in testing only to see them hurt their scores in competition.

When you count every shot, it gets to be real clear what ammo is better... and most of the time, that ammo will cost more.

Jerry

 

[stubblejumper]

And that is really the reason many will compete with CenterX vs SK Std plus. When testing, count all shots because those flyers mean a missed target.

For just a day out shooting, do whatever puts a smile on your face... but I have seen many shooters discount flyers in testing only to see them hurt their scores in competition.

When you count every shot, it gets to be real clear what ammo is better... and most of the time, that ammo will cost more.

Jerry

With most of my rifles, the difference was more dramatic, most groups were noticeably smaller with Center X, but the smallest 50m groups with this rifle were actually shot with Standard Plus. Yes I shoot a lot more Standard Plus , so the odds are better , but other than those fliers every three or four groups, the groups are very similar. So while a competitor may be willing to pay double for Center X, I won't. But if the Long range are significantly more accurate at 100m, and they shoot like the Center X at 50m, I will stop buying Center X all together, and buy Long Range instead, and shoot more of them, than I shoot Center X.

 

[Mystic Precision]

Depending on how far you want to shoot, the value of more expensive ammo will be easy to determine. Rimfires have a mind of their own, so feed it what it likes.

If SK Std+ works for you, money in the bank for more shooting. Because my matches will go to 300m or further, I do most of my testing from 300 and out.

I would be very happy if one of my rifles shot best with less expensive ammo... and 1 does.

Jerry

 

[jpat]

Is the headspace adjustable with shims in the Voodoo?

 

[hoytcanon]

It was so nice, I joined some friends to shoot some sporting clays.

A group of us hit the skeet range and then did some rimfire shooting, which was mostly shooting "the shyte" around the woodstove... nice afternoon. We are suppose to get double digit plus temps this week with sun and calm... shooting time!

 

[Maple57]

As there are only two targets shown in the review of SK Long Range ammo, we can't know how they were chosen.

It's not to cast aspersions to note that more evidence is better than less. For example, five groups of five shots each that are well under 1" would be much more convincing corroboration of the ammo's performance, that those results are, as you said, "no better than typical" for this ammo. If the SK Long Range is in fact that good, there's no reason to be reluctant to show persuasive evidence of what the ammo can do.

I understand, but its hard to film and photograph everything we do out there, just so guys online believe it. Even when we do, we often get challenged that it was faked, or cherry picked.

SK Long Range Match has become the preferred ammo for CRPS shooters. For a while it was Eley Match, but those days are long gone.

 

[grauhanen]

This forum is for fun. Stubble isn’t presenting a doctoral thesis here. Glenn’s response is why people often choose not to post. It’s not a surprise that many drift away from firearms when some of the posters in this thread are the “gate keepers”. Like me constantly talking about how strong I am when someone talks about getting in shape. Stubble posted a couple of groups. He didn’t claim to be better than anyone. Dangerous conclusions are not a risk here. A Vuddoo shooting SKLRM into a couple of good groups isn’t a threat.

What I'm going to say has nothing to do with the OP.

emerson, you are criticizing me directly. You claim my response causes people to "often choose not to post." You need to reread this thread and reconsider your remarks as they are wholly unjustified.

Below is what the OP said in the first post.

I finally got around to trying the SK Long Range in my Vudoo today. Plus 3 and light breeze, and best 100m group .460".

Here's what I said in reply to the OP.

A couple of nice groups. Were you able to shoot more than two? For a more complete review it would be nice to see a bigger sample of results.

This is enough to cause people to decide not to post? A single question? Were you able to shoot more than two? Is that too tough a question?

If that question is intimidating and frightens some CGN rimfire shooters away, they need to toughen up and grow a pair. Firearms forums aren't a good idea for the faint of heart.

In the end, Stubble was kind enough to answer the question in post #27.

They were chosen, because they were the only 100m groups I fired during that session. I was going to shoot more, but a group of people showed up that I prefer not to shoot around, so I left for the day.

Now we know. He shot only two targets for understandable reasons. I also often stop shooting when people disturb my concentration.

Add that to what little he said in the first post, only two targets were shot, it was plus 3 with a light breeze and the best group at 100m was .460". There's the fuller picture.

 

[EHG]

This forum is for fun...

Just fun only?
Guys are spending $4000 and usually more for Vudoo's and other guns to gain an edge. These are serious competition rigs that I'd like to see how they perform in the real world before I consider spending that much. Nobody will convince me they can shoot better than your average factory CZ until I see proof.