Ranger rifles $
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Only seen a 2 or 3 sold so far.
ON balance, they are worth the same as any other LE No4 however there are some factors to consider.
- paper work adds some value
- many ranger rifles have replacement non-LB parts All LB parts, matching etc - decrease value
- condition will heavily impact value
- add on such as rifle case etc - increase value
ON balance, they are worth the same as any other LE No4 however there are some factors to consider.
- paper work adds some value
- many ranger rifles have replacement non-LB parts All LB parts, matching etc - decrease value
- condition will heavily impact value
- add on such as rifle case etc - increase value
I would think that would be a reasonable price based on what what No 4's seem to be going for. and paperwork. Again though, condition is the key factor as well as manufacturer, and potentially year of manufacture eg post war LB vs wartime.
Just my 2 cents though - others may chime in
"GOOD" condition is a very loose description.
Percentage condition, inside and out is much more accurate
This is our grading guide to explain the condition of guns we sell. It also applies basically to firearm accessories such as pouches, stocks, bayonets, etc. When we say a gun is "good" or "very good" condition, you should refer to this guide to see what that means. Grading guns is a very subjective process, hopefully this guide will help to eliminate some disparity between people's opinions. This guide is developed using a combination of NRA grades, Blue Book grades, Shotgun News guide, the "percentage" grades, and current standard industry practice. We distinguish between modern guns, and older surplus guns. (Antique collectible guns are in a different category and are graded differently than the below guide.)
NEW - unused, same condition as factory production, 100%
UNISSUED / LIKE NEW - unused, but may not have box or factory accessories. May have been sold at retail before, but never used. Unissued surplus guns are unused, but are still often several decades old, and thus may sometimes show small handling marks. 99-100%
USED BUT IN LIKE NEW CONDITION - may have been used slightly, but shows no wear, perfect condition. Modern guns = 99-100%
EXCELLENT - may show slight use, no easily apparent defects, minimal bluing wear, mainly slight at edges and muzzle, little scratches on wood or metal. Shiny bore. Modern guns = 90-99%, Old guns = 80-99%
*VERY GOOD PLUS - shows slight wear, only minor defects or dings / scratches. Nice looking bluing but worn at edges and muzzle.
Modern guns = 85-90%, Old guns = 70-80% (*SEE NOTE)
*VERY GOOD - Everything works, some wear on finish and working surfaces, minimal or no corrosion, but maybe some light freckling. Could have minor dents and scratches. Bore may not be shiny but should not be dark.
Modern guns = 70-85%, Old guns = 60-70% (*SEE NOTE)
*GOOD TO VERY GOOD - Working condition, but finish more worn than Very Good grade. Some wear on working surfaces but fully functional. Could have some light freckling, and dings or scratches, but they do not interfere with function. May have frosted bore. This condition is a step up from basic Good condition.
Modern guns = 60-70%, Old guns = 50-60% (*SEE NOTE)
*GOOD - Working condition, but finish may be quite worn from sustained use or carry. Wear on working surfaces. Could have some pitting or light corrosion / freckling, and dings or scratches, but they should not interfere with function. May have dark, worn bore. This is the usual condition that surplus guns are graded.
Modern guns = 50-60%, Old guns = 30-50% (*SEE NOTE)
Percentage condition, inside and out is much more accurate
This is our grading guide to explain the condition of guns we sell. It also applies basically to firearm accessories such as pouches, stocks, bayonets, etc. When we say a gun is "good" or "very good" condition, you should refer to this guide to see what that means. Grading guns is a very subjective process, hopefully this guide will help to eliminate some disparity between people's opinions. This guide is developed using a combination of NRA grades, Blue Book grades, Shotgun News guide, the "percentage" grades, and current standard industry practice. We distinguish between modern guns, and older surplus guns. (Antique collectible guns are in a different category and are graded differently than the below guide.)
NEW - unused, same condition as factory production, 100%
UNISSUED / LIKE NEW - unused, but may not have box or factory accessories. May have been sold at retail before, but never used. Unissued surplus guns are unused, but are still often several decades old, and thus may sometimes show small handling marks. 99-100%
USED BUT IN LIKE NEW CONDITION - may have been used slightly, but shows no wear, perfect condition. Modern guns = 99-100%
EXCELLENT - may show slight use, no easily apparent defects, minimal bluing wear, mainly slight at edges and muzzle, little scratches on wood or metal. Shiny bore. Modern guns = 90-99%, Old guns = 80-99%
*VERY GOOD PLUS - shows slight wear, only minor defects or dings / scratches. Nice looking bluing but worn at edges and muzzle.
Modern guns = 85-90%, Old guns = 70-80% (*SEE NOTE)
*VERY GOOD - Everything works, some wear on finish and working surfaces, minimal or no corrosion, but maybe some light freckling. Could have minor dents and scratches. Bore may not be shiny but should not be dark.
Modern guns = 70-85%, Old guns = 60-70% (*SEE NOTE)
*GOOD TO VERY GOOD - Working condition, but finish more worn than Very Good grade. Some wear on working surfaces but fully functional. Could have some light freckling, and dings or scratches, but they do not interfere with function. May have frosted bore. This condition is a step up from basic Good condition.
Modern guns = 60-70%, Old guns = 50-60% (*SEE NOTE)
*GOOD - Working condition, but finish may be quite worn from sustained use or carry. Wear on working surfaces. Could have some pitting or light corrosion / freckling, and dings or scratches, but they should not interfere with function. May have dark, worn bore. This is the usual condition that surplus guns are graded.
Modern guns = 50-60%, Old guns = 30-50% (*SEE NOTE)
Thanks again folks, that helps, I may have a chance at purchasing one of the Ranger gifted rifles from a ranger, will let you know in a couple days when I see it, I didn't get to ask him if he had a case with it, I didn't know the Rangers rifles came with a case! That would be great if it did!
I have a bit more info, didn't see the bore yet but expect it is good as the rest of the rifle looks very good to very good plus.
The markings on left side of receiver are
No4MK2 (F)
10/53 [PF 374###
I am trying to research this and will get to see her in person by Wednesday! I will know then if it is all matching.
Edit: all matching, says mag matches!
The markings on left side of receiver are
No4MK2 (F)
10/53 [PF 374###
I am trying to research this and will get to see her in person by Wednesday! I will know then if it is all matching.
Edit: all matching, says mag matches!
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Don't take this the wrong way, but that's just snob appeal showing through and I fully understand it.
The last batch of rifles given to the Rangers were purchased offshore. Many from India, who still, from what I understand, have massive stockpiles that the UN is encouraging them to destroy.
A Canadian Envoy, along with a couple of military procurement officers went to India to pick through the stockpiles of No4 rifles the Indians had on hand to secure the best of what was there. Longbranch was of course the preferred manufacturer.
The rifles had a requirement to as close to new condition as possible. They just couldn't find enough Longbranch rifles to meet their requirements.
Then they started sorting through the stocks for other marks and makers. The FAZ MkII rifles were the next best choice, because there were enough of them in excellent condition as well as a large enough supply of New Old Stock replacement parts.
I had heard there were even a few Savage No4 MkI types issued to the Rangers. I've never seen one, but I haven't seen a lot of those rifles to speak of.
Finding a Faz No4 MkII wouldn't hurt my feelings one bit.
Thanks, I found a blurb on google, the serial no. Shows it was made for a contract for Burma, crazy how these things go! It Is all interesting, I guess I have to see it in person and research more on its value, yes I would like a longbranch because it was made in Canada and the rangers thing was cool, but this rifle is in very good shape he says it is accurate ( we may take it to the range this week) and he says he has the gifting cert. so after I see it in person etc. I need to decide a fair price, it is at least in very good condition maybe a bit better overall.
The mil. bought a number of No4 MkII rifles in the late '80's to early 90's. These were new when bought, complete with paper wrap, thick coat of cosmoline/wax and matching No 9 bayonet - many of us bought these rifles at the same time that the military did as they were surplussed from war stores in the UK. These are some of the best LE's ever made, the people making them were experts and the quality of materials was first class. They don't have the war record of earlier guns, but they're almost all better shooters. I'm not the only one who thinks that:
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Thanks, I have seen one or two of those for sale here on the EE years ago,, something else to kick myself in the butt for not buying!
No, not snobbery - I do not assume LB are made better than others per se.
From my observations, "Canadian" market reality is that Canadian made No 4's command more than Brit ones. ie LB traditionally command better prices than non-LB up here.
No it was a Parker Hale sporter not EAL (although the Rangers did have EALs too of course).
I think we all have our own criteria for determining values on our collectables.
For me a documented Ranger rifle would definitely carry a premium. If I were in the position to acquire one I’d base my valuation on the price of a like condition make and Mark of non-Ranger rifle with a 15-20% premium. The key would be the documentation. The rifle would have to come with the original letter showing the rifles serial number even if it were redacted of the original owners personal information. Without the documentation you have what is likely a well used rifle and a nice story.
For me a documented Ranger rifle would definitely carry a premium. If I were in the position to acquire one I’d base my valuation on the price of a like condition make and Mark of non-Ranger rifle with a 15-20% premium. The key would be the documentation. The rifle would have to come with the original letter showing the rifles serial number even if it were redacted of the original owners personal information. Without the documentation you have what is likely a well used rifle and a nice story.
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CMichaud,Wow, that is interesting, seems they were giving the rangers just about anything that came through the ddoor! Cool subject, a fella could get hooked on enfields or even just specific models or countries of origin! I guess that's what happens when a rifle has been in service for over 120 years!
