WK-180C piece of junk

If Canadians were not such cheap Pr!cks, their business case would have probably supported manufacturing a better quality firearm in the first place...
As it stands, they could probably expand a bit an offer upgrades to the basic rifle.
 
Is this an April Fools Day thread?

I would think that if anyone through that the AR180 pattern was good in the first place than it would have been a far more popular rifle. it was designed to be a cheaply inexpensive rifle in its outset. Making a “modernized” version is as reasonable as a “modernized” Lada. Same pig different lipstick.

However we are in Canada. So:

1. It’s MADE here - it’s creates jobs here (not in China) just buy one
2. It’s Non restricted as determined by the national police
3. It’s a common calibre and Mags are easily available
4. It’s a better tinkering playform than an SKS due to the popularity of kit

It also throws logic at the illogical Liberal prohibition of similar semi auto centre fire rifles that essentially do the exact same thing.

It’s not a waste of money. Not at all.
I hope that “Made in Canada” on commercial firearms sticks around.

I agree with this completely. I will buy pretty much any firearm made in Canada.

I think another thing to consider here is this - the men and women who are making these Kodiaks are very much aware of the social/political situation with the liberal government and firearms. Kodiak's goal is not to make a piece of junk no one will buy and will have so many problems that the anti-gun people have a reason to point their fingers at "unsafe" firearms. Secondly, based on the amount of feedback that people have indicated about the excellent level of customer support - I think we owe Kodiak the benefit of the doubt and let them work out the issues and improve their product over time. They haven't been around forever to be able to get all manufacturing, QA and supply chain issues down to an art. The fact is they are willing to support their customer, so let's give them that chance to learn from the customer experience and continually improve their product over time, which I don't have any reason to believe they won't do.

I loathe to give this example, but it's the only one that I can think of that is appropriate. Years ago, I used to laugh at some friends who owned Hyundai cars. This is like 30 years ago. The cars had so many problems and really had overwhelmingly bad customer reviews. I was shocked to see in a recent consumer reports and car and driver assessment of cars, that several of today's Hyundai cars rank in the top quadrant for safety, reliability and customer service. I am like, are we talking about the same company here? I swore they would not survive. But clearly they learned from their initial production issues, hired the right engineers, the right leadership, the right designers, the right QA people and focused on the customer and took quality more seriously. I am eating crow now, since several of my friends have had trouble-free experiences with their Hyundais over an extended period, and the German cars that I own which are well regarded for their engineering and performance (at least in marketing materials) - they have been nothing but a money pit of endless electronic issues. There are days that I wish I bought a Hyundai.

I bought the WK180 BECAUSE it was a Canadian gun and BECAUSE it was a black gun and BECAUSE it was a 223 semi auto (I heard the Mini 14 ranch rifle got prohibited, so I was pleased a company decided to produce this). If there are some bugs to iron out - so be it. I am proud in continuing to support our economy and our products, especially during these uncertain times.
 
Is this an April Fools Day thread?

I would think that if anyone through that the AR180 pattern was good in the first place than it would have been a far more popular rifle. it was designed to be a cheaply inexpensive rifle in its outset. Making a “modernized” version is as reasonable as a “modernized” Lada. Same pig different lipstick.

Everybody gets this wrong. It was designed for production without needing an aluminum forging industry. It wasn't cost savings it was working within capabilities of client nations.
 
CGN, where you can buy a 10,000 dollar rifle and there will still be complaints about it not being good enough.
 
I would like to see this rifle become common here in Canada.
There’s no reason why it should as it’s built for our needs.

I’m sure that QC and overall enhancements will come. The costs are reflective of our Canadian manufacturing costs / realities and they have brought this to domestic market for consumers to have an alternative sporting rifle available to Canadians. While I love my AR pattern rifles (and for that matter my AK pattern rifles), the AR180B was never my first choice ... until now.

It fits the bill and is a “good” rifle. I’ll still spend money on it to upgrade my own WK180C, but it’s what I expected for $1K CAD out of the box.

Maybe this like the “Hyundai Pony” of rifles right now. But I think the customers should know what they are getting. Everything gets compared to an SKS and 3000 rounds of crated ammo. So if someone wants to buy a Chicom or Soviet rifle go for it .. and glad you had the freedom of choice to do so.

On an upbeat note: my next purchase will be a MCR in 7.62x39 (for all the crates of surplus ammo available).
I’m aware that there maybe issues but it’s still on my TDL.
 
I can only comment on the WS MCR. Mine has been rock solid and very accurate. In regards to the sharp edges, I haven't really noticed in using it. However we did a video series on it and it has a lot of close ups shots of the rifle. It is posted in the Firearms Media forum. I actually really enjoy the MCR and I was able to drop my HIPERFIRE trigger in there and a few other parts that would otherwise gather dust. I agree on buying Canadian also. Good to know that Spectre (in my case) and Kodiak etc. are creating products and jobs for Canada.
 
Still in the breaking in process but no issue with the latest version of the wk180c. No sharp edges and quite well machined over all.
 
I can only comment on the WS MCR. Mine has been rock solid and very accurate. In regards to the sharp edges, I haven't really noticed in using it. However we did a video series on it and it has a lot of close ups shots of the rifle. It is posted in the Firearms Media forum. I actually really enjoy the MCR and I was able to drop my HIPERFIRE trigger in there and a few other parts that would otherwise gather dust. I agree on buying Canadian also. Good to know that Spectre (in my case) and Kodiak etc. are creating products and jobs for Canada.

Thanks. Your videos are awesome! Maybe the sharp edges compliants are against the earliest versions, or the Xtreme receiver.
 
I'm sure it's been said here before, but this thing is a piece of junk. Magazines sit too low. Feed angle is all wrong. Even the steel parts are as soft as aluminum. Charging handle broke off first range trip. Firing pin retainer broke on the second range trip.

You shouldn't have to charge your rifle and wonder if the round is actually going to make it all the way into battery.

Save yourself the time, money and dicking around. You can get an SKS and 3000 rounds of surplus ammo for the price of one of these.

Cool concept but a piece of junk.

This is not good, I would cut your losses now, will you take 500.00 as my buddy needs a parts gun.

Thanks
 
Thanks. Your videos are awesome! Maybe the sharp edges compliants are against the earliest versions, or the Xtreme receiver.

Thanks very much for the compliment. The idea is to get more people excited about shooting so hopefully the videos help with that. With the close up shots you can hopefully make your own assessment on whether the edges are sharp or not. Like I said, I haven't noticed anything while shooting it. Pretty comfortable. I have not shot a WK yet so can not comment on that.
 
For the people hoping that quality control will increase as the manufacturer's gain more experience...... this seems backwards to me. Upstarts should focus on quality control from the get go as it's easier to maintain a good reputation then repair a bad reputation.
 
For the people hoping that quality control will increase as the manufacturer's gain more experience...... this seems backwards to me. Upstarts should focus on quality control from the get go as it's easier to maintain a good reputation then repair a bad reputation.

RWA showed how to modernize the 180 platform correctly, having the metal side panels before the MCR came into being, and overall being of high quality, as I've seen no reports of failures of the rifles. But they did so in a boutique way, ensuring quality of a limited number of firearms at a premium cost. One could be argued at the time of their leaving the rifle market for oilfield work the market at the premium price was not strong enough to maintain production, especially with pre-crash oil filed work premium income beckoning. That was pre-OIC, however, and now I believe the market would bear the premium price happily to get a premium non-restricted semi-automatic firearm, should RWA or another manufacturer be willing to step into that market.

Kodiak, and Wolverine when they first started together, took a different tact. Hints of the OIC were in the wind, so the goal was to put out as many non-restricted firearms at the initial sub-$1000 price as rapidly as possible. They translated the stamped steel design to aluminum without the refinements pioneered by RWA, and coupled with manufacturing quality control problems, Kodiak had enough issues in both producing enough rifles and with overall rifle functionality that Wolverine parted ways with them. In effect, initial run of WKs could be seen as form of Kickstarter, with each purchase getting a somewhat less then refined firearm of intermittent quality, and helping finance the industry further to craft how to modernize mass production of the rifle with modern materials and methods.

Both Kodiak and Wolverine's later partner Spectre LTD took lessens learned from the pre-order/prototype-ish program, and have further refined the design. Kodiak has gone back and provided some of the improvements along the way to their prior customers, like the improved bolt carrier group, though there is some controversy whether the bolt handle attachment method change is an improvement. There are the occasional reports of piston failures, but those seem to be reducing with time, and can be somewhat alleviated by properly keeping everything loc-tited into place.

Spectre has added metal inserts first found on the RWA rifles to their design, and had few teething problems of their own, like the initial run of adhesive attached picatinny rails on some of the initial guns, occasional exceptionally poor quality butt stocks and use of a role pin in the BCG for some copies. Those seem to be now resolved.

I think we can say at this point, that overall the WK-180C is not a piece of junk. If an earlier version is purchased, especially one that has not been upgraded, you may run into some QC issues, but a newer version should function out of the box, barring warranty issues. If someone has warranty issues, like with anything, send it back.

Is the design as bullet-proof as an SKS? No, of course not. Canada is still refining the design of its own modernized version of the rifle, whereas the SKS is the definition of a mature weapons platform. The 180 design has come a long way, and if someone is willing accept that to have a modular, made-in-Canada semi-automatic rifle, that is their choice.
 
I went to Tillsonburg Gun Shop this morning to buy a WS-MCR. Firstly, let me me say that Paul and Randy at Tillsonburg Gun Shop are awesome and have made a continuing customer out of me.

I took a look at the WS-MCR on the rack and decided to go for it. When they brought out a new-in-box from the back, I immediately noticed milling marks on the receiver. He grabbed another from the back and it also had the same issue. I asked to compare it to the one on the rack. All three rifles had milling marks on the receiver and just an overall QC issue on the finishing work. At that point I was not going to buy it.

We grabbed a WK-180c and compared to the WS-MCR. Here's what I noticed...

The WK-180c is much lighter. The receiver is lighter with less material. The handguard is lighter and in my opinion looks more aesthetic. Overall the WK-180c shouldered and handled better.

The WK-180c had better machining/milling and a better quality of finish. The WS-MCR DOES INDEED have sharp edges on the magwell. They are sharp enough to catch cloth. Hands down, the WK-180c is a nicer looking rifle when seen in person.

I ended up buying the Magpul edition of the WK-180c for less tha the WS-MCR.

I will report back after I have shot it.

Now to buy up some parts from TNA. :)
 
If Canadians were not such cheap Pr!cks, their business case would have probably supported manufacturing a better quality firearm in the first place...
As it stands, they could probably expand a bit an offer upgrades to the basic rifle.

I’ve never handled one of these, but I’ve heard mixed reviews. You are right though ... I remember when these were first designed and the manufacturer made every attempt to keep the price around 1k. That was back a few years and I know prices have risen, but it was meant to try to compete with Chinese slave labour as best as possible. Certain features were simplified to keep the price down. After all, this is a Canadian made gun with Canadian wages and meant to fill a tiny niche market of Canadians that can’t own any of the mass produced guns from down south or couldn’t get one that was non-restricted. It was an incredible venture to do a run around of our stupid laws.

If the rifle was 3k, I suspect the problems people are experiencing would go away.
 
I’ve never handled one of these, but I’ve heard mixed reviews. You are right though ... I remember when these were first designed and the manufacturer made every attempt to keep the price around 1k. That was back a few years and I know prices have risen, but it was meant to try to compete with Chinese slave labour as best as possible. Certain features were simplified to keep the price down. After all, this is a Canadian made gun with Canadian wages and meant to fill a tiny niche market of Canadians that can’t own any of the mass produced guns from down south or couldn’t get one that was non-restricted. It was an incredible venture to do a run around of our stupid laws.

If the rifle was 3k, I suspect the problems people are experiencing would go away.

Cheap Pr!ck here. I can't afford a 3k rifle.
 
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