Anyone wanna help with coyote problems?

Well, you should come over here, to BC, and go for a hunt out in the bush, far far away from civilization, in the pitch black and have to go for a half a mile walk to the creek with no gun, a pocket knife and a bucket for water, then you come back and tell me how scared you are, because a thirty pound rat animal that is more scared of you than anything in the world might just might have 6 buddies and attack you! if your that scared scream and run, nothing will come near you, nothin at all, although you might look like an idiot!
 
Workin Man said:
A question for those of you, particularly in the west, who hunt coyotes on a regular basis: is it normal to see them running in packs of 6 to 8 animals? My impression was that they are pretty solitary and run in pairs at the most as a rule. When we see packs here in Ontario I was under the impression that they were generally coyote/ feral dog mixes or just strictly feral dogs.
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at our deer camp you can go out at night and hear the packs howling
 
Workin Man said:
A question for those of you, particularly in the west, who hunt coyotes on a regular basis: is it normal to see them running in packs of 6 to 8 animals? My impression was that they are pretty solitary and run in pairs at the most as a rule. When we see packs here in Ontario I was under the impression that they were generally coyote/ feral dog mixes or just strictly feral dogs.
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While I'm not really qualified to comment on western yotes,I can tell you that coyotes in the northeast at least do indeed travel in "packs" or loose family groups as well as mark and defend a home range,generally of 25 square miles or so,from intruding coyotes. While it's true you may normally only see 2-3 together at any given time there may be several more in the vicinity as they will hunt together,share kills and carrion etc.Personally,I've seen as many as 7 at one time,and have heard reliable accounts of as many as 13 yotes together on a bait pile.

As far as feral dog/coyote mixes,or "coydogs" go,I beleive that is a term coined by earlier outdoorsman to descrbe the larger eastern yotes(as compared to their western counterparts)when they first started appearing here in great numbers?As far as I know,and I could be wrong,there is very little to no evidence of wild coyotes breeding with domestic dogs?In fact,I'm not even 100% if it is genetically possible?It certainly goes against their social structure and would almost have to be conceived in a labratory to have any chance of a successful breeding,although I seem to recall reading of documented "coydogs" that are sterile and unable to reproduce,much like breeding a horse to a donkey to get a mule?Either way,if it happens at all in the wild,it is most likely very rare.it simply goes against their nature and social order.An alpha male coyote would not tolerate a domestic dog attempting to breed his ##### and coyote breeding is more complex than simple chance encounters between a male and female.It is more ritualistic involving a courtship process that incleudes howling to attract mates and defending potential mates from intruders or bachelor males looking to establish a territory.If anything,a frustrated bachelor coyote with virtually no chance of breeding within his species "might" breed a domestic ##### if he happened to find her in heat during coyote mating season,but generally speaking,he'd be more inclined to kill and consume her.

Another often debated theory on eastern coyotes is that they are hybridised with eastern wolves,resulting in their larger size and wolf-like appearance.Whether that's true or if they simply evolved to be bigger through natural selection,much like northern whitetails,to cope with the harsher climate and conditions in the north,is still before the jury.evidence of wolf DNA in easterb yotes lends some credibility to the theory,however,all canines can trace their roots back to wolves if you go back far enough,so what does that really prove?Maybe they are just more closely related to wolves,and share many of the same social traits?
 
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Dont rule out that there are Timber Wolves rather than Yotes. We do have a lot of them here in Ontario which are more likely to travel in packs.

As for calling them in try a Turkey Call. From what I heard from Turkey hunters they often draw in yotes.
 
robinhood said:
Dont rule out that there are Timber Wolves rather than Yotes. We do have a lot of them here in Ontario which are more likely to travel in packs.
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Not likely in the Woodstock area but it is possible. There seems to be an upsurge in coyotes this year. I'm hearing them and seeing tracks and sign a lot more this winter.

The .223 is rarely far from reach.
 
I would love to help too!
I have calls (an electronic one too) and a flexible schedule. I live just outside of Woodstock and own/operate your cities nuisance animal control company.
 
Man...if I still had a varmint rig...I'd pitch in to help as well. Unfortunately it had to be sold to finance other non-gun-related ventures. And I miss it...I think I'm going to go cry now. :(
 
robinhood said:
Dont rule out that there are Timber Wolves rather than Yotes. We do have a lot of them here in Ontario which are more likely to travel in packs.

As for calling them in try a Turkey Call. From what I heard from Turkey hunters they often draw in yotes.
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This is probably truer than you think. I had a coyote come right up and smell my turkey decoy last spring.
 
I've seem them in packs in Eastern Quebec area. This year I walked within yards of one in the pitch black. The first step on my tree stand made a nasty creek noise ( I gotta fix that dam thing) and didn't I hear a yelp only a few yards away....lol...made those little hairs stand up on the back of my neck.

This year we heard more coyotes at night howling than ever before, I love sitting on the deck with a beer and listening to them, but they need to be thinned out over here also.
 
Here is a copy of a post I made around this time last year, minus the photo. Coyotes can and do attack.


I put on my best camo, (was my best camo) and headed into the woods where I have been seeing a lot of tracks.. I backed up against a tree and pulled some brush against me, it would have been a useless position if I had my crossbow, but since I left it at home I figured it was a good spot.
I have been reading all the sites you guys sent to me, it seems pretty rare that these guys get animals closer than a hundred yards or so, so I felt pretty safe.. I hunched down and let the howler go for a bit, still think it sounds like a drunk duck but the coyotes seem to think it sounded pretty darn good. I seen the first one come up over the river bank, and my heart went crazy.. it was the closest I have been to one of these things since I decided to hunt them, probably 75 yards or so right in front of me, then gone again.
I was far from stealthy when I stuck the howler in my pocket and popped the squeaker in my mouth, I was concentrating more on what sound I was making than what was happening around me, that's when I seen the nasty looking thing about 10 yards in front of me, head cocked to one side and taking slow steps towards me, he was alone I think. All I could think about is how easy of a shot it would have been if I actually had something to shoot it with, and by the time that thought went through my head it was 5 or 6 feet in front of me, I was sure it was looking me straight in the eye. My excitement turned to concern when I realized it wasn't stopping, just walking right to me.. I of course was still tooting away on my squeaker, almost laughing into it in nervousness. By now I knew it was coming for that sound regardless of what I did, so I decided I would grab it by the scruff if it came closer, and closer it came, lunged at the squeaker that was still making noise as I tried to breath through it.
It was in the air when I grabbed it, Damn thing pounced like a cat, I missed his scruff with both hands, one hand had his cheek and the other the top of it's head by the ear.. He was pretty pissed, and I could smell his rotten breath and all I remember thinking is how white the teeth were for an ugly animal. It was mere seconds and I had it pinned down under my knee while holding its head to the ground. I had it in a position where it couldn't do any damage to me and I looked around to see if he had any friends nearby, all I could think is why I hadn't read anything like this, and what else could possibly happen. I mumbled something through my teeth about not being a mouse with lots of colorful words included. I took my hand off it's cheek to grab my knife and that's when he turned and got my leg, just above my ankle. It happened pretty quick, didn't feel a thing. About 10 seconds later, neither did he. I learned a few things today, that is for sure.

So, my buyers remorse for buying the cheapest yote call Bass Pro had to offer is now gone, I am a firm believer now.
 
Cool story Pyd,wild experience for sure.I once called a bobcat in to within 5 yards with,of all things,rattling antlers.I don't know what he was thinking....maybe he'd get to eat the loser of the buck fight?Just as you described,I was sitting on the ground against a treetrunk,camoed to the eyeballs.The cat came in on the tear from off in the distance.At first I thought it was a buck coming as I heard it charging in through the frosty leaves,then a flash of brown low to the ground,thought it was a yote for a second or two until I got a better look and seen it was a cat.it ran in to about 25 yards,hopped up on a windfall that was laying out in front of me and crouched down,prowling in for the last few yards until it froze up staring at the camo blob and trying to figure me out.Not intending to shoot it,I had a facemask on and whipered"here kitty,kitty"just for fun.It cocked his head to the side,back and forth,still unsure of what I was.My rifle was across my lap and I threw my hands in the air yelling"Blah!!"or something to that effect,and that 'lil cat near turned inside out scrambling outta there,leaves justa flyin,LOL!
 
Up close and personal is the best, thats why I prefer bow hunting. Here is what happens when you you get too close. Just a surface wound, but sure made a mess of my camo.

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grinrgrn said:
While I'm not really qualified to comment on western yotes,I can tell you that coyotes in the northeast at least do indeed travel in "packs" or loose family groups as well as mark and defend a home range,generally of 25 square miles or so,from intruding coyotes. While it's true you may normally only see 2-3 together at any given time there may be several more in the vicinity as they will hunt together,share kills and carrion etc.Personally,I've seen as many as 7 at one time,and have heard reliable accounts of as many as 13 yotes together on a bait pile.

As far as feral dog/coyote mixes,or "coydogs" go,I beleive that is a term coined by earlier outdoorsman to descrbe the larger eastern yotes(as compared to their western counterparts)when they first started appearing here in great numbers?As far as I know,and I could be wrong,there is very little to no evidence of wild coyotes breeding with domestic dogs?In fact,I'm not even 100% if it is genetically possible?It certainly goes against their social structure and would almost have to be conceived in a labratory to have any chance of a successful breeding,although I seem to recall reading of documented "coydogs" that are sterile and unable to reproduce,much like breeding a horse to a donkey to get a mule?Either way,if it happens at all in the wild,it is most likely very rare.it simply goes against their nature and social order.An alpha male coyote would not tolerate a domestic dog attempting to breed his ##### and coyote breeding is more complex than simple chance encounters between a male and female.It is more ritualistic involving a courtship process that incleudes howling to attract mates and defending potential mates from intruders or bachelor males looking to establish a territory.If anything,a frustrated bachelor coyote with virtually no chance of breeding within his species "might" breed a domestic ##### if he happened to find her in heat during coyote mating season,but generally speaking,he'd be more inclined to kill and consume her.

Another often debated theory on eastern coyotes is that they are hybridised with eastern wolves,resulting in their larger size and wolf-like appearance.Whether that's true or if they simply evolved to be bigger through natural selection,much like northern whitetails,to cope with the harsher climate and conditions in the north,is still before the jury.evidence of wolf DNA in easterb yotes lends some credibility to the theory,however,all canines can trace their roots back to wolves if you go back far enough,so what does that really prove?Maybe they are just more closely related to wolves,and share many of the same social traits?
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I came upon this article a couple weeks ago, thought It might be useful here.
Here's the link to original article, and I used google's translator to translate to english.


http://ours-loup-lynx.info/spip.php?article1119



As biologists have long suspected the coyote in eastern Massachusetts is a hybrid wolf and the coyote. The genetic study of tissue from 75 coyotes captured in the commonwealth (Kentucky, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania and Virginia) showed that all contained in varying degrees of genes of a sub-species of wolf (Eastern wolf, Canis Lycaon lupus) living in the south-eastern Canada and genes of the West coyote (Canis latrans), an animal significantly smaller than the coyote in the East.
The study was led by Bradley White, a geneticist from Trent University in Ontario, based on tissue samples collected by the biologist Jonathan G. Way. According to Bradley White, "coyotes in the East appear genetically distinct. These are not the West coyotes or wolves in the East. These are hybrids of the two, and they should probably be classified as new species. "
Jonathan G. Way collected samples for over 2 years while studying coyotes at Boston College. Most of the animals were trapped in eastern Massachusetts. The results seem to show that, on average, about 10 to 15% of the genetic material of coyotes in the East is the wolf in the East. However, some individuals were studied wolves in the East almost pure.
The findings of the study reinforces the genetic studies conducted on coyotes in the East in the states of New York and Maine. They also showed a mixture of genes wolves and coyotes in the same proportions among coyotes in the East.


Coyotes only appeared in the east of the Mississippi after 1900. It is believed that coyotes in the West have migrated to Canada, crossing the Great Lakes and have occurred in New York State in 1930 and then in Massachusetts in the 1950's. However, the coyotes who arrived in the north-eastern United States were greater than their cousins in the west. Males coyotes in the West weigh an average of 28 pounds (12.8 kg) while males of Eastern coyotes weigh an average of 39 pounds (17.6 kg). Many biologists thought that coyotes in the West were reproduced with the wolves in Canada, producing a hybrid that then migrated to the north-east United States. Two sub-species of wolf, among others, live in Canada: Canis lupus occidentalis (distributed across Canada) and Canis lupus Lycaon, a sub-species smallest found mainly in and around Algonquin, in the south of Ontario.
It is the latter genes found among the Eastern coyote. These species are canids, but do not reproduce these ships. However, this can occur when the animal populations are sparse, especially when a young male wolf disperses and ends up in an empty area inhabited by wolves, but many coyotes.
Some biologists want coyotes in the East should be declared as a separate species of coyote in the West.
The findings of the study reinforces the genetic studies conducted on coyotes in the East in the states of New York and Maine. They also showed a mixture of genes wolves and coyotes in the same proportions among coyotes in the East.

An estimated 3000 to 8000 coyotes in Massachusetts.

Following a fierce fighter, the last wild wolves from the state of Massachusetts were killed in 1805. There is no evidence to show that a breeding population of wolves exists elsewhere in New England today. The wolves of eastern Canada does not readily cross the St Lawrence river. The animals that are sometimes killed in New England happen to be wolves, but most are probably wolves captives escaped or released.

Last year, the United States Department of Fisheries and Wildlife (Service) has withdrawn the wolf from the list of endangered species in the Great Lakes region. The wolf population (Minnesota, Wisconsin and Michigan) is estimated at nearly 4000 people. However, according to the 2 biologists who have studied this population, most of the staff are hybrids of wolves and coyotes in the West which calls into question the change in the status of wolves in the Great Lakes.
 
Hey count me in if you need one more. I have a couple of calls and rifle ready to go. I have lots of free time this winter (laid-off) live in Chatham but more than willing to drive.:sniper:
 
Coyote hunt

I'm in! Live in London, have a .22-.250 just right for the yotes.LMK when where send me PM please I've been waiting for this.
 
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