A little help please.New to air rifles,well sort of

Buck1950 said:
I just want to agree about the 'lower-cost' rifles like Crosman or Benjamin being the best to re-introduce you to pellets. The gas-piston will give you a bit smoother recoil compared to old-style springers. I have a Crosman Vanguard Nitro in .177-PAL and I polished the trigger as you have mentioned; it's now ca 3#, good for low-cost rifle. I do wish I would have bought the .22 since the extra pellet weight gives a longer accurate 'reach' and more impact for pests. The .177 is fairly accurate at 25yds but over that the pellet drops a bit and goes astray. Best thing is I got mine for $120+tx a couple years ago, I think prices are higher now.
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Thanks for that.And I will agree on prices.I don't believe things will get any better,due to Covid and supply and demand.All we have to look at is cars and trucks costs
 
The .177 is better at long range if using heavier pellets. It's only once you can push the equivalent heavy .22 pellets to similar velocity that they become more accurate. That's a big reason why springer FT shooters use .177, generally springers can't push a .22 fast enough to use the heavy ones.
 
Grantmac said:
The .177 is better at long range if using heavier pellets. It's only once you can push the equivalent heavy .22 pellets to similar velocity that they become more accurate. That's a big reason why springer FT shooters use .177, generally springers can't push a .22 fast enough to use the heavy ones.[/QUO
Wouldn't the limiting factor here be what the rifle is capable of doing?Say a 495 f/sec .177 rifle .Wouldn't it be able to push the lighter pellets flatter though if there is any kind of wind wouldn't they drift more.Where as the same rifle shooting .22 cal would be limited in range due to the reduce velocity.
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Over the time I've spent with different air rifles/pistols.
I have found the most accurate to be around 900 fps.
Once you start getting close to the speed of sound 1123 fps accuracy diminishes.
Of all, the most accurate has to be my brothers .25 FX Crown.
It's an early one with a Smooth Twist X barrel upgrade.
Amazing!!! Wish I could afford to buy one.
 
hawkgt said:
Yes I am talking about PAL rated Springers.Once I read your post a couple of more times I think I got the jist of what you were trying to write.
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Springers just can't drive the heavy 22 pellets fast enough to have an advantage over the 177 version of the same gun. At least not while remaining shootable.
 
Grantmac said:
Springers just can't drive the heavy 22 pellets fast enough to have an advantage over the 177 version of the same gun. At least not while remaining shootable.
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Now I fully understand what you are leading up too.Like shooting a 40 and a 50 grain bullet with same powder charge
 
If you're not sure if you'll get the airgun "bug"
- A nicer rifle will be less expensive in the long run, than a initially less expensive rifle... if that makes any sens :p
As in, a cheaper rifle will be harder to sell, at a greater loss than a nicer rifle.

If I was buying today
- Forget the PCP. The pump/compressor/bottles will eat up your budget even before you bought a rifle

In no particular order
- Underlever have the mechanical advantage of fix barrel, potentially more accurate... But how much difference will it make a 25 yards? Probably not all that much
- Break barrel are easier to load. The same can be said for 22 pellets over 177.
- 12ft/lbs seems to be a reasonable compromise of speed/accuracy/being able to feed them different pellets

Air Arm TX200
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HW97
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Beeman R9
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HW95
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sillymike said:
If you're not sure if you'll get the airgun "bug"
- A nicer rifle will be less expensive in the long run, than a initially less expensive rifle... if that makes any sens :p
As in, a cheaper rifle will be harder to sell, at a greater loss than a nicer rifle.

If I was buying today
- Forget the PCP. The pump/compressor/bottles will eat up your budget even before you bought a rifle

In no particular order
- Underlever have the mechanical advantage of fix barrel, potentially more accurate... But how much difference will it make a 25 yards? Probably not all that much
- Break barrel are easier to load. The same can be said for 22 pellets over 177.
- 12ft/lbs seems to be a reasonable compromise of speed/accuracy/being able to feed them different pellets

Air Arm TX200
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HW97
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Beeman R9
beeman-r9-elite-series-scope-combo-13.jpg


HW95
HW-95-Luxus-Zfr..jpg
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I have basically decided to go under lever.Still a toss up between .177 and .22.I would think the .22 would be a bit more versatile and it would be a Pal rifle.Won't be doing a lot of pest control with it as I do have my 22 lr and 22 WMR.Air Arms are definitely out of what I would deem affordable.
 
Johnny G1 said:
Nothing wrong with the Gamo line, have a limited addition 177 that I bought in 2004 and is a very accurate gun and quiet, their newer ones with new piston are super quiet and are a reasonable price, I paid $425 when I got mine and put a Bushnell Red Dot from day one.
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My experience with Gamos is mixed. The older stuff that is PAL rated like the Hunter Extreme and Elite are excellent. The cheaper non-PAL stuff like the scout recon...I would avoid - I had that and accuracy and velocity not what is stated. I did have some interesting offerings - the Extreme CO2 - discontinued - avoid - lots of quality issues (probably why discontinued). I also had a unique product - Gamo Viper Express - break barrel air shotgun - that was fun but they don't make the custom shotgun shells for that anymore and gun has been discontinued. With an adapter, it also shoots .22 pellets, but it is a smoothbore, so accuracy should not be expected. Innovative product nonetheless.
 
I have owned air rifles since I was a child, and my favorite is the Weirhauch Brand from Germany.They are not too expensive, and are amazing quality. The store at the Canadian airgun forum has HW30's and HW50 models for a very good price. You will not beat their accuracy, and they will last for generations to come. Old school craftsmanship.
 
thegazelle said:
My experience with Gamos is mixed. The older stuff that is PAL rated like the Hunter Extreme and Elite are excellent. The cheaper non-PAL stuff like the scout recon...I would avoid - I had that and accuracy and velocity not what is stated. I did have some interesting offerings - the Extreme CO2 - discontinued - avoid - lots of quality issues (probably why discontinued). I also had a unique product - Gamo Viper Express - break barrel air shotgun - that was fun but they don't make the custom shotgun shells for that anymore and gun has been discontinued. With an adapter, it also shoots .22 pellets, but it is a smoothbore, so accuracy should not be expected. Innovative product nonetheless.
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Thank you.As I mentioned in another post there seems to be a real Love Hate relationship as far as Gamo is concerned.I haven't really looked at them except for the one auto loader break action which seemed interesting
 
gandalfe said:
I have owned air rifles since I was a child, and my favorite is the Weirhauch Brand from Germany.They are not too expensive, and are amazing quality. The store at the Canadian airgun forum has HW30's and HW50 models for a very good price. You will not beat their accuracy, and they will last for generations to come. Old school craftsmanship.
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Going to think that most European models will be a quality product.I do like the idea of an under level vs break barrel
 
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