Experiences with recent 700s?

[Buckmastr]

Primary extraction varies from alot to a little depending on the gun. They all pop brass out of the chamber. I have yet to use a plastic hammer on a model 700 with proper even hot hand loads. It works regardless.

If there was a problem with these guns there would be massive recalls and customer dissatisfaction. Leeper can tell me how bad it is, how ignorant users are however they still shoot and extract. It’s his story and I’ve heard it before.

 

[SHELL SHUCKER]

I've only had 2 Rem 700's over the years starting back in '83 with a BDL in .458 Win and me last one was a 17 Rem BDL in '08. Both were nice rifles that shot well with my handloads and I had no issues with their overall quality & reliability.

The one in 17 Rem though, did come with a faulty extractor that broke in two after 4 shots during initial sight in. A minor piss-off fer sure, but I got a
fresh one from Brownells quick enough & then gave the new extractor a careful smoothing & polish on its surfaces before installing. No worries after that.
(I reckon the original extractor was hastily installed by a worker that pinched the bugger a tad tight and caused a crack to form.)

I miss both those rifles, but mostly the one in 17 Rem.

 

[450yukon]

I have several 700’s and no issues with any, from .223 to a j-lock 338rum LSS.
The latest one I found is a 81’classic 7x57 but is the Special Deluxe version from factory with 20” barrel

While I thought accuracy with the factory sps could be improved, changing out to OEM wood stocks bedded sure did improve it. 270 and 300WSM

 

[Buckmastr]

Beauty rifles 450 Yukon. Thanks for the pics!

 

[guntech]

Either very lucky or, perhaps, blissfully ignorant. As I said, if you all are happy with things as they are, that's wonderful. For what it's worth (not much with this crowd), I think the Walker trigger was just fine as long as the parts were within spec; dimensionally. Some, made in the late seventies to early eighties, were not. The brazed handle was also just fine; providing the joint was a good one. In the fifteen years or so that I did Remington warranty repair, I don' think I saw more than a half dozen which failed. I recall one on which the handle was broken but the root of the handle was still attached to the bolt body. This one had been fired with a severe overload and a piece of wood used in an attempt to get it open.
Bottom line? No one has to believe me but I'm pretty familiar with them. I don't solicit work and I have nothing to prove.

I agree with you Bill... except for that batch of faulty triggers that got out the 700 triggers are excellent and the majority that I have had in my shop with problems were due to the owner neglecting the trigger that was incorrectly set after it left the factory. Some guys don't know how to set sear engagement and after travel. I have encountered a few bolt handles separated from the bolt body. One handle actually broke leaving the root attached as you had. I have replaced some bolt knobs and found some handles have casting flaws within. Initial extraction is a problem I have also encountered more so on later models. There have been a few extractor problems... the occasional one breaks or isn't 'set' correctly from the get go. All in all I think they are a fine rifle and the strongest safest 2 locking lug action ever made providing you don't butcher them by installing part of the Sako extractor system.

 

[Joel]

Those stainless rifles sure do look good in the CDL stocks, 450 Yukon

Thanks a lot for the opinion/info Guntech. I appreciate it. Would you also say not to sweat the initial extraction unless it actually becomes a problem, then get it dealt with?

 

[Buckmastr]

I agree with you Bill... except for that batch of faulty triggers that got out the 700 triggers are excellent and the majority that I have had in my shop with problems were due to the owner neglecting the trigger that was incorrectly set after it left the factory. Some guys don't know how to set sear engagement and after travel. I have encountered a few bolt handles separated from the bolt body. One handle actually broke leaving the root attached as you had. I have replaced some bolt knobs and found some handles have casting flaws within. Initial extraction is a problem I have also encountered more so on later models. There have been a few extractor problems... the occasional one breaks or isn't 'set' correctly from the get go. All in all I think they are a fine rifle and the strongest safest 2 locking lug action ever made providing you don't butcher them by installing part of the Sako extractor system.

A faulty rifle in Leepers words.
A fine rifle in guntechs. Glad we are in agreement.

 

[Hungry]

I still buy Remmy 700 rigs. They work for me …..

Then again, I cannot afford fancy rifles.

Cheers!!

Barney

 

[guntech]

A faulty rifle in Leepers words.
A fine rifle in guntechs. Glad we are in agreement.

To be fair both of us have encountered poor initial extraction problems with later production 700's... that's a flaw... a fault in some actions. I still think it is a great design and I am hopeful new production will take care of past problems.

 

[Buckmastr]

To be fair both of us have encountered poor initial extraction problems with later production 700's... that's a flaw... a fault in some actions. I still think it is a great design and I am hopeful new production will take care of past problems.

So you would avoid modern built 700’s?

 

[guntech]

So you would avoid modern built 700’s?

At this stage of my life I am avoiding all purchases... I no longer shoot much and the only center fire rifle I now own is a 700 243... but I would buy a modern 700 if I had a need... the possibility of a flaw exists with every rifle, not just Remington. Look at the bolt face, inspect the camming area on the action and bolt, inspect the 'solder' joint ... all the triggers are an easy fix if there is something wrong...

 

[Leeper]

I would avoid any action which, upon inspection, was shown to have a non-functional extraction cam. That is a faulty rifle. I agree with Guntechs assessment in all other regards, The 700 is very strong, it is very safe, the triggers are just fine, the extractor, except in individual cases is also excellent. In individual cases, the extractor is improperly fitted; most common in magnum chamberings. I have seen Remington 700's handloads which would have been a disaster in many others; yet, the shooter was unhurt and the rifle easily repairable.
You got your panties in a twist because I pointed out a significant flaw which is commonplace on recently manufactured 700's. As much as I hate to do it, here's another: On several recently manufactured 700's, the edge of the firing pin hole is beveled enough that primer cratering is a real issue and blanking becomes a serious issue. I have had to bush the bolts on several which had this problem. If I was buying a new one, that is another thing I would look at. One brand new rifle which was brought in as an action donor had an extractor which would not snap over the rim of the case, had no primary extraction whatsoever, and cratered primer with mild loads. That this does not apply to every 700 does not negate the fact that it happened on this one.

 

[guntech]

I forgot about the bevelled firing pin hole... I have seen a few of these and had to fix them too. If looking at a 700 it has become common to look for this and the initial extraction cam... how beat up is the camming area... on my old 243 it mates really well and isn't beat up at all...

 

[Buckmastr]

I would avoid any action which, upon inspection, was shown to have a non-functional extraction cam. That is a faulty rifle. I agree with Guntechs assessment in all other regards, The 700 is very strong, it is very safe, the triggers are just fine, the extractor, except in individual cases is also excellent. In individual cases, the extractor is improperly fitted; most common in magnum chamberings. I have seen Remington 700's handloads which would have been a disaster in many others; yet, the shooter was unhurt and the rifle easily repairable.
You got your panties in a twist because I pointed out a significant flaw which is commonplace on recently manufactured 700's. As much as I hate to do it, here's another: On several recently manufactured 700's, the edge of the firing pin hole is beveled enough that primer cratering is a real issue and blanking becomes a serious issue. I have had to bush the bolts on several which had this problem. If I was buying a new one, that is another thing I would look at. One brand new rifle which was brought in as an action donor had an extractor which would not snap over the rim of the case, had no primary extraction whatsoever, and cratered primer with mild loads. That this does not apply to every 700 does not negate the fact that it happened on this one.

You previously said every modern 700 you have seen had very little to zero primary extraction. Mostly zero. You still say its common place. Meaning most I presume. It doesn't sound the same as Guntech endorsement of the Model 700 if he would still buy one.
You have an axe to grind. Fine. I get it.
There is no doubt some guns do not operate as intended. But to paint all of that Model with the same brush is nuts. Ignorant.

 

[RangerPark]

I have several 700’s and no issues with any, from .223 to a j-lock 338rum LSS.

Careful now, according to prominent posters in this thread the only conceivable reason for not having any problems with Remington 700 rifles is blissful ignorance. I know I never had any problems with mine but apparently that's irrelevant.

 

[CeDe]

I also had a blued 700 for years. No rust problems at all

 

[m1008]

Does the 338rum suffer from lug setback like the 338 lapua?

 

[Joel]

I also had a blued 700 for years. No rust problems at all

Like real blued, or the spray-on looking gravel blast finish on the newer SPS rifles?

 

[guntech]

Does the 338rum suffer from lug setback like the 338 lapua?

I have not seen lug set back in any 700.

The Lapua round is ridiculous in a 700... well the ultra mags are too. I think Remington missed the boat with the Lapua round though ... they should have scaled a 700 action up slightly and made it a bit longer, heavier bolt and introduced a new 700 Magnum action... rather than stuff that monster into an altered action.

 

[conor_90]

I’m going to start a go fund me so we can have some CGN members sent to audit a statistics course, preferably the portion where they cover sample size and it’s relationship with circumstantial evidence


We have two guys in this thread who have handled more 700s than most have guns, maybe we should consider their opinions of what common issues with those that come back on warranty are as facts