Get What You Pay For?

Ganderite

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I recently bought a very nice Colt Gold Cup. Judging by the wear marks, it had been shot very little.

I own a number of Norinco 1911s in a variety of calibers, and they all shoot well. Most shot well right out the box, although most got new grips, new sights and some trigger work. The Norcs were available in two versions, the old and the new style. The new style, called the Sport, were the first ones we bought. A friend and I each bought one. I got a 2 tone. He got the all blue. These are the models with the forward slide grooves. Both shot very well, immediately.

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There is no doubt the Colt is much better finished, inside and out. It is also tighter, and has a better trigger. But does it shoot any better than a Norinco? I can shoot fairly well. The group above was shot 2 handed, standing, at 25 yards. In my youth I could do a lot better than that. But to compare the two pistols fairly, I dug out a Ransom Rest.
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I then shot the Gold Cup and a pair of Norincos. The 2-tone Norc and also the older model than is rough finished and lacks the "Made in China" marking. These pistols were sold of in a promotional bundle with a case of ammo. I bought a number of them from guys who wanted he ammo, not the pistols. I paid $200 to $225 for them. Some got changed to other calibers, like 460 Rowland and 7.62x25.

So how does a $200 Norinco compare to a $1,200 Colt Gold Cup?

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For a Ransom Rest, these are not good groups. The rest was C-clamped to a wood shooting bench with a 1/2" top. I assume the bench is not as solid as it should be for this job.
 
You are right that a wooden bench is not the ideal base for the Ransom Rest. The range in Prince Albert mounts their Ransom Rest on a 55 gal drum filled with concrete.

Not moving!
 
My Norcs 1911's are very accurate, yes, but their barrels have "free floating" hoods and lock on that tiny piece of slide below the ejector. Said barrels are clearly wearing from such a small surface. How long does this last?

PS: How loosely are your slides fitted on their frames? RR's are not always the best way to test autoloaders.
 
Great report, thanks for posting.

I've always thought Norinco 1911's were 'sleepers' especially for the cost vs 'shootability'.

I also always change the grips from factory stocks on any Norc 1911 I own. ;)

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No. I am still exploring the accuracy issue, sorting out the rest and hampered by mounting it on a light bnch top.

The Club plans on building a heavy bench for testing.

Next time out I will shoot a SAM and a Springfield and maybe another Norc.

Okay, good. I ask because I've long been on the fence about purchasing and actual Colt 1911 for decades (I have several 1911's including Norc's but no Colt). Some guys say that there's nothing inherently special about the Colt 1911's. They lead me to believe that we aren't discussing revolver quality type differences.

I've been looking for some justification to spend the extra coin on a Colt and can't seem to find it?
 
Better to be happy with the 1911(s) you have than to dream of the next one that might theoretically come along. New guns are fun, but each comes with new quirks to get used to or deal with.
 
I think the Colt name is where most of the value? Comes from.

I bought an RIA .45 for $550 for my son to use, sent to Rodger for a few upgrades and my son put a set of faux pearl grips on it.
I’m in to it for about a grand .

I think a Colt with same upgrades would cost about $2000.View attachment 572957
 
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Your offhand 25 yd group looks tighter than the ransom rest group. That is a GREAT offhand group with a .45 auto in my humble opinion.
 
I think the Colt name is where most of the value? Comes from.

I bought an RIA .45 for $550 for my son to use, sent to Rodger for a few upgrades and my son put a set of faux pearl grips on it.
I’m in to it for about a grand .

I think a Colt with same upgrades would cost about $2000.View attachment 572957

Looks like an 8" barrel!?
 
Your offhand 25 yd group looks tighter than the ransom rest group. That is a GREAT offhand group with a .45 auto in my humble opinion.

I used to shoot NRA bullseye. One hand shooting. I would score in the mid 90's slow fire and 100's in Timed and very high 90s in Rapid.

That was a long time ago, when I shot rifle seriously and pistol for fun.
 
The problem with me shooting my new Gold Cup is that I have no excuse for the results. I can't say "not bad for a Norinco."

Can I now say "I wish I had a Kimber. It would shoot better." ?

Very interesting, thanks for posting.

Can't remember where I heard it, but it reminds me of the best "accurizing" advice I've ever heard:

1. Buy three of the same gun.
2. Shoot them side by side.
3. Keep the one that shoots best.

The cost from reselling the less accurate guns at a bit of a loss will usually be MUCH less than trying to improve mechanical accuracy with upgraded parts and modifications. Not to mention the time savings. Of course, you'd still be free to start chasing mechanical accuracy improvements at that point anyway, but starting out with tighter groups.

In this case, you could try three (maybe four?) vanilla Norincos for the price of one Colt, and come out waaaaaay ahead. That is, if accuracy is your only priority. I'm sure your Colt feels and looks much nicer, etc..
 
I used to shoot NRA bullseye. One hand shooting. I would score in the mid 90's slow fire and 100's in Timed and very high 90s in Rapid.

That was a long time ago, when I shot rifle seriously and pistol for fun.

Was that 5.4 of 231 over a 200 swc the load you used for NRA bullseye?
 
They thank you as well for typing that on a Chinese made device lol. Fantastic shooting ganderite

this device was made in south korea, and the lame excuse well everything is made there we just can t avoid it, is partly true but I sure as #### can avoid buying PRC pistols and rifles, to each his own, sleep well. lol
 
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