Sight for astigmatism?

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Looking for reviews, opinions and suggestions.

I just found out I must have astigmatism as my red dot looks like major flairs.

So I'm looking for an alternative to regular red dots. I have narrowed it down to :

Primary arms, slx 1x microprism scope

Really like that it's also etched and have bullet drop marks

And

Holosun 510c

Like that it's QD and field of view since it's an open sight


If you have feedback or reasons why go with one or the other, or other suggestions. It's going on a lever action so I want it as low as possible which eliminate a lot of prism sights that are pretty high since mostly aimed for modern sporting rifles. Not looking to go much higher in terms of budget, which I know reduces my options.

Thx folks!
 
I can't help about a sight - but might suggest that you see an optometrist and have them diagnose whether you have astigmatism or not - and often, they can then correct for that - at least they did, to a great amount, for me. That "flaring" that you describe, might be aging or other things - may as well let a "pro" figure it out??
 
Is the Holosun 510C also a red dot by design? I didn’t research that model too much when getting the 515GM and AEMS as I wanted the lens caps. I sometimes get mild astigmatism acting up if I strain my eye too much trying to “focus”, rather than allow for a relaxed wider field of view. When I use the Holosun magnifier in front of the red dots it seems to eliminate the blurry reticle.
 
I have the same issue I found that out after shelling out for an eotech ! nothing but a blurry blob of red. I have had zero issues with Holosun I have the 510CG and the vortex sparc 2 they work great with astigmatism I think any Holosun is the same reticle and for Vortex I think only the AMG-UH1 is the only one that might have an issue with astigmatism
 
Anything with an illuminated etched reticle. Red dots turn into star bursts for those of with astigmatism. I second the Vortex Spitfire. Worked great on my AR15 until some sock puppet banned the rifle.
 
Prescription glasses can correct astigmatism and everything will look better and sharper and they can also be your safety glasses for shooting.
 
Prescription glasses can correct astigmatism and everything will look better and sharper and they can also be your safety glasses for shooting.

Nope ! My glasses did absolutely nothing to unblurr the eotech! The problem is there is no focus on them to focus to your glass prescription. The holosun for me is clear as day and sharp with my glasses. That eotec was a blurry blob. I used my phone to take a photo to make sure it wasn't the optic and the camera focused on the dot and it was sharp you could even see that it was a dot made from dozens or hundreds of tiny dots that is why those are blurry to people with astigmatism
 
Just a comment about 'progressive' lenses vs bifocal w-lines. I used the prog for work where I was on PC, doing stock taking and also driving needing distance vision. But for reading a book or shooting w-scope I preferred the bifocal for a 'definite' division of sight focus. And if I were getting new bifocals I'd consider a pair (like one of the two-fers) with the 'near' vision at the top for scope use. That way you don't have to tilt your head back for the lower section (also for prog lenses but they're much more expensive).
Now I've had corneal implants so just use $10 magnifiers for reading/scope - I find I can see the reticle more clearly.
 
I can't help about a sight - but might suggest that you see an optometrist and have them diagnose whether you have astigmatism or not - and often, they can then correct for that - at least they did, to a great amount, for me. That "flaring" that you describe, might be aging or other things - may as well let a "pro" figure it out??

yes i do agree i did a check up and found out that the flaring was not at all astigmatism but only getting old, in the mean time i do not need glasses to read or anything else i wont complaint at 55 ... the optometrist did roughly a 45 min check up including a lot of side vision test, colors and i never had that long since i was in the army ... that flare is showing as well when driving at night and she prescribed some glasses with zero lenses correction but i cant say the specific treatment on the lens.

prism is still the good solution for me.
 
yes i do agree i did a check up and found out that the flaring was not at all astigmatism but only getting old, in the mean time i do not need glasses to read or anything else i wont complaint at 55 ... the optometrist did roughly a 45 min check up including a lot of side vision test, colors and i never had that long since i was in the army ... that flare is showing as well when driving at night and she prescribed some glasses with zero lenses correction but i cant say the specific treatment on the lens.

prism is still the good solution for me.

It was that flaring / glare from on-coming headlights that I noticed most - at first. Later eye-glass prescriptions reduced that significantly, but not completely eliminated it. Probably does not help that I truly am diagnosed with astigmatism, and am also past age 65.
 
My two cents after trying just about everything:

Prism sights sort of approximate red dots but have limited eye relief and some fish eyeing still occurs even when you’ve got it dialled in; it will never be as seamless as a red dot just by the very nature of its construction. The etched reticle does work fantastic though at maintaining a crisp focal point for those of us with astigmatism. The options I’ve tried are:

Vortex Spitfire: the gen 1 models are better as they are more versatile and have a low-mount option for shotgun/lever/rim fire, the new ones are designed for AR height.
Primary Arms 1x: the first gen tube style I give the edge over the Vortex, due to better reticle and (separately sold) mounting height options.
Primary Arms 1x Micro-prism: I’m currently using one and so far so good, but only one range trip so far. Way more (included) mounting options, much bigger reticle with actually useable BDC marks and smaller overall size, shake-awake/auto-off and more.

With the inherent distortion that comes with two-eyes open prism sight use, depending on the application I have sometimes opted for a LPVO with decently true 1x. There is still a slight bit of distortion but it’s on par or better than with a prism plus you’ve got the option of magnification if needed. My preferred LPVO choices are:

Vortex Strike Eagle 1-8: best combination of value and true 1x in my experience. The 1-6 options work too but may as well go 1-8 in my mind. I’ve tried a few optics that are 4-5 times the price but didn’t feel they were 4-5 better. I’d rather spend the money on ammo. Several reticle model and plentiful mounting options available.
Millett 1-4: best budget true-ish 1x out there. The donut reticle works great as a red dot and 4x is plenty for many applications. They regularly pop up on the EE for under $200 an again standard and therefore almost unlimited mounting options.

As for actual red dots, as others have said the Holosun reticle is crisper than an Eotech, even for those without astigmatism. I like the circle dot reticle myself as it is more complex and does not as easily confuse your brain and cause the visual smearing, and many Holosun models come with multiple reticle combination options. Try a few until you find one that works. Some people, not me, also report that a green reticle doesn’t smear as bad as a red one. And finally, if you can mount a peep sight behind the red dot and look through the peep, it typically all but eliminates the smearing. Try it, it works.

Another option that no one else has mentioned yet is a Seeall sight. Look them up. They work very well for me and once you get used to them they are just as fast as a true red dot. The only thing that they don’t offer is a hood/tube to look through which sometimes assists in faster target acquisition, but the trade off is they are very low profile, don’t require any batteries or electronics and are pretty bullet proof, (though I have managed to destroy one because I’m special like that). These would be great on a lever I imagine.

So all that to say is there are lots of options out there but you might need to try a few and adjust depending on your application. Good luck and happy and safe shooting.
 
I have astigmatism (diagnosed), and all the same things.

I use a red dot for competition, but only when you are aiming at something the size of a beach ball. I buy the smallest red dots possible (3MOA usually).
For medium range, I use prism optics or irons. Bushnell has a really neat tiny prism optic, I have a couple and love them. I also have the vortex prism scopes. I rarely use the illumination, just the etched reticle.
For long range, if you REALLY need to hit what you're aiming at, save up for a scope that will work with/as your prescription. I far prefer that to wearing glasses when shooting out far. I use a vortex Razor, but it was pretty $$$. Basically any scope where you have a focus ring will help. Red dots, unfortunately, will just keep getting worse and worse. Welcome to old-ish age :)
Time comes for all of us.
 
Thx guys, appreciate the info and suggestions, keep em coming.

One point I should've mention, I had a check last summer and all I needed is reading glasses for when I'm tired. I don't know if they look for astigmatism, might have to call and ask if it's in the test or notes in my file. 15$ glasses from the drugstore do the trick, but I must admit I haven't tried looking at the red dot with em. Might have to try that!
 
Despite my posts above, I am not completely "out of the woods" regarding vision. Much too late in life, I started to try to learn to use aperture sights. A couple of quality rifles came, each with a quality pair of aperture sights - apertures on both rear and front - used at World's and Olympic levels, apparently - for bullseye shooting at various ranges. When I try to sight with them, they appear mis-shapen - not round at all - a real PITA - the local optometrist is not a shooter - I tried to describe the issue to him, and he had a couple thoughts - but has not been resolved to the extent that I think it should be - is hard to get him to understand what I am talking about, and why it is an "issue" for me ... Leading me to suspect that not all "optometrists" are equal or as useful as another one might be. Or, perhaps, I am just too old for aperture sights to work for me, any more.
 
Prescription glasses can correct astigmatism and everything will look better and sharper and they can also be your safety glasses for shooting.

I wear contact lenses as I don't like to wear glasses. They don't correct my astigmatism however. I have progressive glasses as a backup but will have to see how they work shooting.
 
I wear contact lenses as I don't like to wear glasses. They don't correct my astigmatism however. I have progressive glasses as a backup but will have to see how they work shooting.

Was many years ago that I tried contact lenses - they were the "soft" ones - had no capacity to correct for astigmatism - I noticed it most when trying to do curling - glasses constantly fogging up when I squatted in the hack - was told then, that had to be "hard" contacts to fix for astigmatism - did not try that - went back to glasses, and kept them. Might be different tech available today??
 
My two cents after trying just about everything:

Prism sights sort of approximate red dots but have limited eye relief and some fish eyeing still occurs even when you’ve got it dialled in; it will never be as seamless as a red dot just by the very nature of its construction. The etched reticle does work fantastic though at maintaining a crisp focal point for those of us with astigmatism. The options I’ve tried are:

Vortex Spitfire: the gen 1 models are better as they are more versatile and have a low-mount option for shotgun/lever/rim fire, the new ones are designed for AR height.
Primary Arms 1x: the first gen tube style I give the edge over the Vortex, due to better reticle and (separately sold) mounting height options.
Primary Arms 1x Micro-prism: I’m currently using one and so far so good, but only one range trip so far. Way more (included) mounting options, much bigger reticle with actually useable BDC marks and smaller overall size, shake-awake/auto-off and more.

With the inherent distortion that comes with two-eyes open prism sight use, depending on the application I have sometimes opted for a LPVO with decently true 1x. There is still a slight bit of distortion but it’s on par or better than with a prism plus you’ve got the option of magnification if needed. My preferred LPVO choices are:

Vortex Strike Eagle 1-8: best combination of value and true 1x in my experience. The 1-6 options work too but may as well go 1-8 in my mind. I’ve tried a few optics that are 4-5 times the price but didn’t feel they were 4-5 better. I’d rather spend the money on ammo. Several reticle model and plentiful mounting options available.
Millett 1-4: best budget true-ish 1x out there. The donut reticle works great as a red dot and 4x is plenty for many applications. They regularly pop up on the EE for under $200 an again standard and therefore almost unlimited mounting options.

As for actual red dots, as others have said the Holosun reticle is crisper than an Eotech, even for those without astigmatism. I like the circle dot reticle myself as it is more complex and does not as easily confuse your brain and cause the visual smearing, and many Holosun models come with multiple reticle combination options. Try a few until you find one that works. Some people, not me, also report that a green reticle doesn’t smear as bad as a red one. And finally, if you can mount a peep sight behind the red dot and look through the peep, it typically all but eliminates the smearing. Try it, it works.

Another option that no one else has mentioned yet is a Seeall sight. Look them up. They work very well for me and once you get used to them they are just as fast as a true red dot. The only thing that they don’t offer is a hood/tube to look through which sometimes assists in faster target acquisition, but the trade off is they are very low profile, don’t require any batteries or electronics and are pretty bullet proof, (though I have managed to destroy one because I’m special like that). These would be great on a lever I imagine.

So all that to say is there are lots of options out there but you might need to try a few and adjust depending on your application. Good luck and happy and safe shooting.

very clear explanation.
 
It was that flaring / glare from on-coming headlights that I noticed most - at first. Later eye-glass prescriptions reduced that significantly, but not completely eliminated it. Probably does not help that I truly am diagnosed with astigmatism, and am also past age 65.

so 10 more years for me. but the glare is limited not completely eliminated for sure. doctor said when you get older less light is going into the eyes (shrinking of the pupil) and when more light is getting in it created an haze because it is a little too much but not yet to be blinded ...
 
The best way is to go to a store a and check red dots and see which has less distortions for your eye.

I have astigmatism and even with glasses I see rays on a dot.

Circle and a dot type red dot for me have less visible rays. Using a magnifier with it makes the reticle clear.

So I either use a red dot with just a dot and point to the center of those rays.

Or use circle and a dot type red dot for short distance and use magnifier with it for precise\long distance shots.
 
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