SOLD OUT: TYPE 81 SPECIAL EDITION -Shipment 2-

The funniest thing ive seen here is people comparing type 81s to sks's and after shooting thousands of rounds through these the accuracy of type 81s is just phenomenal for a rifle of its orgin, just my 2 cents..
 
ColinD said:
The type 81 will never be below $1K. That’s almost as foolish of a statement as the guy who believes it’s a $400 rifle selling retail for 3x it’s value.
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Once the FRT changes it will be worth under $1000… closer to zero. Don’t kid yourself into thinking these will be legal forever. The whole second hand market for these guns is being driven by the ban hammer fear. Just like the great AR craze a few years back.
 
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Murray 3-D said:
How much do u think militarys pay per unit then ?
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I was actually surprised to hear how much the military pays from some numbers I know for sure from third world countries. What they pay depends more on interpersonal relations and budget and not so much on the bottom price per unit. They pay wholesale Canada or US if they are lucky but usually more and get support commitments.
 
BeaverMeat said:
Once the FRT changes it will be worth under $1000… closer to zero. Don’t kid yourself into thinking these will be legal forever. The whole second hand market for these guns is being driven by the ban hammer fear. Just like the great AR craze a few years back.
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Now you are backing out already. The amnesty is already extended until almost end of next year.

I will list another one soon, should I keep you updated how much I get for that one?

Remark: Save the ink on your 1.2K offer this time, I appreciate it and sorry, you won't get a reply anyways. :evil:
 
ColinD said:
The type 81 will never be below $1K. That’s almost as foolish of a statement as the guy who believes it’s a $400 rifle selling retail for 3x it’s value.
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I don’t think they will ever be 1k anymore, but to be fair when I got mine in 2019 it was the last shipment to arrive, and by that time they had enough stock they we’re stocking them in stores, I got mine on sale at tenda less then 1k and a extra mag. I do think paying more then retail is really foolish, when 2 more shipments are due to arrive, most likely more.
 
ColinD said:
We’re not a military with a govt budget, we are a tiny civilian market.

Do you think the US military pays what a civilian pays for a MK18?

Comparing military and civilian markets is nonsensical.
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If we want to rationalize the build quality/ fit and finish of massed produced guns like the Type 81sa then it makes perfect sense to understand these numbers. Wikipedia states that in 2014 Klashnikov was able to make AK 103s for as little as 160 dollars a unit for the government. I presume Klashnikov makes a little money or at least breaks even for a gov contract like that... and thats under a Modern / Capitalist Russia. Imagine how much cheaper it may be under a communist regime like the Soviet Union. But yet i think a genuine Soviet made AK can fetch prices as high as 2k in America. Does that then mean that Americans are right to expect 2k worth of build quality / fit and finish for that rifle ?

Maybe Tactical Imports and other civilian importers pay substantial more. Im sure they do, and i dont expect them to tell us how much they pay. But when im at home dissecting my Type 81s to modify them, i certainly see what i would expect to be a mass produced combloc rifle like those 160 dollar stamped AKs. They are laughably simple.
 
The amount of Ak 103s manufactured and I believe still is makes the type 81 almost seem nonexistent, that can drastically effect its build price.
 
cost of building versus what we are willing to pay is irrelevant at the end customer talk is the most important. the m10x is a fine example of what we do not want at least most of us.
 
Im sure the factory reached its peak economy of scale long before it reach the 400,000 unit mark haha. I doubt the Type 81 actually cost more to make then a stamped AK.... the Chinese claim it to be superior tho, so that means they can probably turn around and charge more per unit on that claim alone. Strip down ur Type 81 to its absolute core, then look at a stripped AK.... its hard to tell which is mechanically more complex.
 
Don’t think anyone would argue that it’s complex, i guess end of the day it’s up to consumer if they think the price matches the product. With the state of things currently, and the selection available I say it’s retail price is arguably reasonable. I know many m10x owners that regret not getting the type 81 instead.
 
Murray 3-D said:
If we want to rationalize the build quality/ fit and finish of massed produced guns like the Type 81sa then it makes perfect sense to understand these numbers. Wikipedia states that in 2014 Klashnikov was able to make AK 103s for as little as 160 dollars a unit for the government. I presume Klashnikov makes a little money or at least breaks even for a gov contract like that... and thats under a Modern / Capitalist Russia. Imagine how much cheaper it may be under a communist regime like the Soviet Union. But yet i think a genuine Soviet made AK can fetch prices as high as 2k in America. Does that then mean that Americans are right to expect 2k worth of build quality / fit and finish for that rifle ?

Maybe Tactical Imports and other civilian importers pay substantial more. Im sure they do, and i dont expect them to tell us how much they pay. But when im at home dissecting my Type 81s to modify them, i certainly see what i would expect to be a mass produced combloc rifle like those 160 dollar stamped AKs. They are laughably simple.
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I understand what you’re saying, but to the example that one member mentioned of these being a $400 rifle sold for 3x mark up doesn’t understand basic economics.

Imagine how long a company would last selling products at cost? Now imagine the same company also covering shipping and import fees. It might be made with commie labour in a s**thole country which keeps the costs down, especially at scale, but by the time it reaches our shores I’m sure TI isn’t making $5-600 per unit.

Just like coffee, $5 for a cup at the store, but how much does the bean picker make? What’s between the guy in the field and the guy pouring the cup. That’s what you pay for.
 
This discussion was had before with TI and he insisted that the type 81 cost quite a bit more than an AK to manufacture. The non restricted receivers also must not be made from the same tooling as the ones with the fun switch (remember the on and off with the CZ 858?). So the start up costs were quite high. I cannot imagine how much a US buyer would pay for a type 81, a LMG preban went for over $30K US, how is that for a number. Even with 2 more shipments coming in, the number is still small, and the best of it - they work as they are supposed to. TI wants to flip them as fast as he can, so 1,200 ++ does the trick, for 1,400 or 1,500 we would probably still buy them, they just wouldn't move as fast, what else is out there???

I remember that a VZ58 was over 1,200 the last time they were legal, better quality, same fun. How much would those be today?
 
Shanghai lockdown is probably going to push this shipment further back; I asked TI and they said June, but we'll see. I know that the second shipment was delayed far past the end of November because of the floods in B.C.
 
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