Kodiak Defense K9

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Haha...I remember watching this as kid and I CONSISTENTLY got products' pricing wrong (even if it was American pricing). It was sure fun to guess...

I think the $1200 mid-point is a fairly reasonable price for this, given on the cheaper side was see the TNW ASR for $900-$1000, and then on the other side of the spectrum the Kriss Vector for $2000.

I guess KD won't have anything on their website until the proposed Spring 2022 release when it actually starts to sell through retail channels.
 
Haha...I remember watching this as kid and I CONSISTENTLY got products' pricing wrong (even if it was American pricing). It was sure fun to guess...

I think the $1200 mid-point is a fairly reasonable price for this, given on the cheaper side was see the TNW ASR for $900-$1000, and then on the other side of the spectrum the Kriss Vector for $2000.

I guess KD won't have anything on their website until the proposed Spring 2022 release when it actually starts to sell through retail channels.

The Ruger in 6 position and JR both come in pretty close to $1,200. That's what I assume the direct competition will be.
 
The Ruger in 6 position and JR both come in pretty close to $1,200. That's what I assume the direct competition will be.

Yes, that is very reasonable. My FX9 I got a month or so ago and it was $1349.00.

I always thought that maybe we would get a price break buying our own domestically made products.
 
I always thought that maybe we would get a price break buying our own domestically made products.
You would think so but the problem is that realistically the Canadian market is pretty small so it's harder to sell in the quantities that would result in significantly lowered prices.
 
You would think so but the problem is that realistically the Canadian market is pretty small so it's harder to sell in the quantities that would result in significantly lowered prices.

The positive is limited exposure to F/X changes
The negative is small volume so no economies of scale

Hopefully the two wash each other out so it stays competitive
 
I always thought that maybe we would get a price break buying our own domestically made products.

Do you have any idea what it costs to manufacture literally anything in this country? Let alone a product that only 8% in this country have a license to own and can purchase. Aluminum and steel alone have gone through the roof in the last year let alone cost of labor and energy in this country.
 
Do you have any idea what it costs to manufacture literally anything in this country? Let alone a product that only 8% in this country have a license to own and can purchase. Aluminum and steel alone have gone through the roof in the last year let alone cost of labor and energy in this country.

I think you're misunderstanding what thegazelle is saying, in the post you quote he says that he thinks $1200 would be a reasonable price, which I would have a hard time disagreeing with looking at the other offerings here. He's not complaining about the price but simply stating that in the case of most products it is often cheaper to buy domestically compared to an import from another 1st world country. For reference in the US market, a 16" FX-9 rifle is $799 USD (MSRP, likely sells for less at USA dealers) which converts to just over $1000 CAD at current rates. However the 18.6" non-restricted variant we have in Canada is significantly more due to the arbitrary nature of our firearms regulations regarding barrel length and classification status. While I am not involved in the manufacturing industry I am aware of the rising costs across the entire supply chain having a significant effect on costs, however I find it hard to attribute the costs we pay for domestic firearms here entirely to material and labor costs as those are not unique to Canada but rather any 1st world country offering a fair wage to workers.

Rather I believe that our small market leads to a lack of competition and prevents the utilization of the "economies of scale" principle. While I'm sure our domestic manufacturers are trying to bring a quality product to us they don't have a lot of domestic competition, meaning there is not much incentive to vastly improve existing products or offer a lower price. Instead of having to directly compete with other Canadian manufacturers they simply have to compete with the imported firearms distributed by companies such as North Sylvia, Korth Group, MD Charlton etc. who often have exclusive rights to a particular manufacturer's products. This is the situation in many countries without strong domestic firearms manufacturing. I believe that if we had a more firearm-friendly attitude similar to the USA the costs of all domestic firearms would be significantly lower, as the competition would be much fiercer for market share. You can see an example of this in the US market with the AR-15 and budget hunting rifles, manufacturers are constantly trying to offer the best value proposition in a certain budget range, without this competition prices would likely remain higher.

So while intuition would dictate we should get a slashed price for domestically produced guns we don't because they only need to position themselves relative to the imported competition, such as the FX-9, Ruger PC Carbine and JR Carbine.

TLDR; I don't think material costs are really that great of a factor in the prices we see here, rather there is a much smaller market that has has very little competition between domestic manufacturers. The only example I can say off the top of my head is the WS-MCR and WK-180c and in that case the costs of both has increased over time due to market demand being so strong since the OIC.
 
I think you're misunderstanding what thegazelle is saying, in the post you quote he says that he thinks $1200 would be a reasonable price, which I would have a hard time disagreeing with looking at the other offerings here. He's not complaining about the price but simply stating that in the case of most products it is often cheaper to buy domestically compared to an import from another 1st world country. For reference in the US market, a 16" FX-9 rifle is $799 USD (MSRP, likely sells for less at USA dealers) which converts to just over $1000 CAD at current rates. However the 18.6" non-restricted variant we have in Canada is significantly more due to the arbitrary nature of our firearms regulations regarding barrel length and classification status. While I am not involved in the manufacturing industry I am aware of the rising costs across the entire supply chain having a significant effect on costs, however I find it hard to attribute the costs we pay for domestic firearms here entirely to material and labor costs as those are not unique to Canada but rather any 1st world country offering a fair wage to workers.

Rather I believe that our small market leads to a lack of competition and prevents the utilization of the "economies of scale" principle. While I'm sure our domestic manufacturers are trying to bring a quality product to us they don't have a lot of domestic competition, meaning there is not much incentive to vastly improve existing products or offer a lower price. Instead of having to directly compete with other Canadian manufacturers they simply have to compete with the imported firearms distributed by companies such as North Sylvia, Korth Group, MD Charlton etc. who often have exclusive rights to a particular manufacturer's products. This is the situation in many countries without strong domestic firearms manufacturing. I believe that if we had a more firearm-friendly attitude similar to the USA the costs of all domestic firearms would be significantly lower, as the competition would be much fiercer for market share. You can see an example of this in the US market with the AR-15 and budget hunting rifles, manufacturers are constantly trying to offer the best value proposition in a certain budget range, without this competition prices would likely remain higher.

So while intuition would dictate we should get a slashed price for domestically produced guns we don't because they only need to position themselves relative to the imported competition, such as the FX-9, Ruger PC Carbine and JR Carbine.

TLDR; I don't think material costs are really that great of a factor in the prices we see here, rather there is a much smaller market that has has very little competition between domestic manufacturers. The only example I can say off the top of my head is the WS-MCR and WK-180c and in that case the costs of both has increased over time due to market demand being so strong since the OIC.

Couldn't have made the point better myself!
 
Surprised they're not promoting this gun more. Just a couple of pics and a teaser video on Instagram.

I agree...and not everyone has social media / instagram or whatever. From the time this was announced by video to now, there hasn't appeared to be any additional information. You would think with the current social and political winds, that Kodiak would get in front of this and get the product out as soon as possible.
 
I’m excited for this as I’m looking to get my first PCC. But seeing how they didn’t even show this off at Shot Show this year, is kinda odd. Will it even get a 2022 release date?
 
Anyone heard an update, in particular if it's ambi friendly for us wrong (left) handed shooters and if it's got a last round open capability. Leaning towards a JR Carbine, but this thing looks interesting and might be worth the wait
 
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