Firearms pre ordered before May 18th?

Midnight Rider said:
Not really correct as many stores were not recording any info on firearms sales . You could flash your PAL , pay by cash , and walk out the door with your new firearm purchase . Your standard store receipt with the product number acted as your proof of purchase for warranty , but many stores were not recording any personal info like names , adddresses , etc . This may vary from province to province , and from store to store , but I know from personal experience that personal info on firearm purchases was not being recorded by the local stores here unless it was for a restricted purchase .
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But what about online sales invoices? How long do dealers keep sales invoices that has your name, address, what item you purchased. Plus some have your PAL info ?

And you're telling me that dealers were not keeping a record of what gun they were assigning to that order?
 
CZ Shooter said:
What is new is one small detail.

Should you decide to sell your newly aquired firearm to Mike from Canmore, you will have some explaining to do once the confiscation agents come to your door to collect your newly prohibited "variant", as there will be no record of such transaction taking place.
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except that they say they are not collecting firearms data from private individuals,so much for their registry.
and that reference number is good for a year,so sounds like he can buy one or 100,
i doubt this stupidity will do anything,lots of guys will just keep going as usual.
if you really want to check for a valid license,call in and say you're selling ammo,and want to make sure the license is good,
 
Midnight Rider said:
Not really correct as many stores were not recording any info on firearms sales . You could flash your PAL , pay by cash , and walk out the door with your new firearm purchase . Your standard store receipt with the product number acted as your proof of purchase for warranty , but many stores were not recording any personal info like names , adddresses , etc . This may vary from province to province , and from store to store , but I know from personal experience that personal info on firearm purchases was not being recorded by the local stores here unless it was for a restricted purchase .
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paying cash and flashing your license might work at the small mom and pop store,no big name store did that.and all those online sales in the last few decades got everything associated to them recorded,
 
Crazy Cory said:
100% !!
From may 18 forward. ALL sales are to be recorded by the dealer & CFO/RCMP.
Selling or gifting a NR firearm to a license holder without permission. Will be illegal.
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all dealer sales were already fully recorded,for the last few decades,so not much new there,
and that "permission" is just about validating license,something most people did already,but you can be sure,selling between friends with valid licenses will continue the same as it always has,and there's no way of them ever knowing,with millions of guns in the country already not registered,good luck to them trying make their little feel good system work,
now if they start asking firearms data when you call for their special permission,THEN we can start the real #####ing and moaning,and finding ways around their crap.
 
gyppo said:
No, not the same. If you buy something after May 18th and they want to seize it, if you say you no longer have it because you sold it to Mike, but you never got permission from the CFO to transfer it, you will have some explaining to do.
Anything sold after the 18th by a store will be tracked. All they have to do is follow the transfers.
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so they 'll follow data that has no firearm data associated to it,how do you suppose they're supposed to that,?
they say they are not taking firearms data,from private to private,so what data will they follow exactly,
now if they start to take down data,guys will find a work around,
i think this would piss off regular owners to the point they'll just worrying about any rules,let's hope it doesn't get to that,
 
We should only be held to calling the CFO. If they don't answer, then proceed as per usual. They are grossly understaffed as it is, this is going to be a mess
 
I'm going to start selling my Invisngton and Notrealchesters to people when we day drink.

I'd like to sell my Beaver 30-37 to Mikey, serial number is 44DD. Also, he's giving me a SigSower 13mm semi-revolving auto shotgun, serial number 654321.

If they have no frame of reference, they have no idea.
 
It has been like this buying from big box dealers. The only difference when the Harper Govt implemented the common sense firearms act was the inclusion of ATT in our licenses for Restricted and the non-registration of NR firearms. Dealers still kept records of sales including buyer's PAL and Serial #s of firearms. Now, as far as I can decipher the new law, buying from non-dealers (private sales) will have to be reported to CFO as a registration (???) or reference # will now be enforced before you can release the NR firearm/s to the buyer. This is the "Resurrection" the defunct Long Guns Registry. The biggest concern now is, if something comes up and LEO barged into our residences, searched and found NR firearms, we cannot provide receipts/invoices, are we in violation of the soon to be revised (May 18) firearms act? Or we will be forced to call the CFO for every NR firearm we have to get a Reference # as a record of legal ownership?

Wiskey1 said:
that to funny,if you bought a gun from a dealer in the 40 years,that paperwork included your personal info AND what gun you bought ,INCLUDING serial number,so buying a dun from the dealer after the 18'TH is the EXACT SAME as the last forty years,how do you think they kept records for warranty,that info has always been available to law enforcement,so this latest Turdo bull#### is nothing new,it's the same #### dealers have been doing for decades,but it sure makes the anti-gun idiots feel good,so if you're buying from a dealer,nothing has changed.
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Wiskey1 said:
except that they say they are not collecting firearms data from private individuals,so much for their registry.
and that reference number is good for a year,so sounds like he can buy one or 100,
i doubt this stupidity will do anything,lots of guys will just keep going as usual.
if you really want to check for a valid license,call in and say you're selling ammo,and want to make sure the license is good,
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For now.
This is how they get their foot in the door.
"Oh no worries it's nothing...we just want to make sure the buyer has a valid PAL"

This will later turn into:
"We now need to know the model, serial number, reason for the sale and your mothers maiden name, while were at it"...
 
7 The Regulations are amended by adding the following after section 4:

(b) provide the Registrar with
(i) the transferee’s licence number, and
(ii) any other information requested by the Registrar.
 
Stevent said:
7 The Regulations are amended by adding the following after section 4:

(b) provide the Registrar with
(i) the transferee’s licence number, and
(ii) any other information requested by the Registrar.
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I guess everyone is just glossing over bullet D that straight up turns this into the registry?


2) The business must record and, for a period of 20 years from the day on which the business transfers a non-restricted firearm, keep the following information in respect of the transfer:
(a) the reference number issued by the Registrar;
(b) the day on which the reference number was issued;
(c) the transferee's licence number; and
(d) the firearm's make, model and type and, if any, its serial number.
 
RyoTHC said:
I guess everyone is just glossing over bullet D that straight up turns this into the registry?


2) The business must record and, for a period of 20 years from the day on which the business transfers a non-restricted firearm, keep the following information in respect of the transfer:
(a) the reference number issued by the Registrar;
(b) the day on which the reference number was issued;
(c) the transferee's licence number; and
(d) the firearm's make, model and type and, if any, its serial number.
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that's for business.they've already been doing it for decades anyways,
 
CZ Shooter said:
For now.
This is how they get their foot in the door.
"Oh no worries it's nothing...we just want to make sure the buyer has a valid PAL"

This will later turn into:
"We now need to know the model, serial number, reason for the sale and your mothers maiden name, while were at it"...
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unfortunately for them,the original long gun registry never got about 15% compliancy rate,today,that number will be below 5% IF they're lucky,
all this bull is all about pleasing their anti-gun nazis,who actually think this is new,like business never took down that information before,nowhwere does it say private to private is taking firearm info,like was said before,for now,hopefully more province will tell the feds to go F themselves,and not bother legal gun owners,
 
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