ATRS legal action update Nov 4 2021
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Cameron SS
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Ground Zero
I still don't understand why people think there is any value whatsoever in having copies of worthless FRT entries as if that will matter one bit in any legal dispute with a law enforcement officer over classification of the firearm.
RCMP: THE FRT IS JUST AN OPINION.
GUN OWNERS: I NEED COPIES OF THE FRT TO SHOW TO A POLICE OVER TO PROVE I'M LEGAL.
ATRS Shaun
Business Member Rep.
- Location
- Calgary, AB
Only option I can think of there, is that they are looking for the FRT's between May 1, and May 20th, so for example I think there's a May 14th copy out there, that says non restricted, but still shows as updated after may 1st.
My only guess is maybe you could possibly bluff your way out of trouble... so long as they don't double check and are willing to trust the paperwork you're presenting to them without verification. I feel like there's a lot of "ifs" involved in that however, and it certainly is NOT being given as advice.
Cameron SS
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Ground Zero
Fair enough.
The trouble for me is gun owners have been properly complaining about the arbitrariness and lack of legal authority of FRT entries for decades. Murray Smith himself testified that people are free to form their own opinions about the classification of specific firearms.
I just don't understand why in 2022, a gun owner would continue to give any legitimacy or credibility to the FRT at all by carrying around and attempting to rely on FRT records as proof of a firearm's classification.
I'm reminded that no sooner were gun owners freed of the non-sense of the Non-Restricted firearms registry that many gun owners started demanding some other government issued document to prove classification of non-restricted firearms, having completely missed the point of repealing the requirement to register Non-Restricted firearms.
NR Gun Owners: We don't want any more papers!
Conservative Government: We hear you, no more Papers!
NR Gun Owners: Oh My God, we need papers!
I just don't get it.
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Any one wants to PM me a copy of the May 14th FRT that would be great.
PinaKaleada
CGN Regular
- Location
- South of most
Interested in this too, please PM
Personally I am sick and tired of all these AR180 platforms.. the possibility of the Modern Sporter coming back is the one & only thing that excites me.
Totally agree, I'm so sick and tired of this countries discrimination against law abiding citizens, none of this should have ever happened in the first place. And honestly, even if there was a conservative government, would they change any of these "laws". The only party I've been able to support recently is the PPC, but that's beyond the point. It's very dejecting being a lawful citizen and a proud gun owner in this country, they just keep on demonizing us and idiots lap it up because "muh guns are evil". Really hope you guys win this and I can finally own a modern sporter, I'm really pissed off I didn't buy one before all this bull####.
if that fails, (which they will attempt to dismiss the case without making a ruling) whip out the 1947 letters patent and present the case that these letters patent (the document that gives the Governor General their power) is fraudulent. and refer to section 7 of the Statute of Westminster and Section 109 of the British North America Act of 1867 in which instated the land belongs to the provinces, and that Mackenzie King when he signed that document committed an act of fraud, since no such union of federated provinces had yet to occur, and still has yet to occur.
you can then build a case that all things taken after this fraud occurred through this parliamentary system been both illegal and unlawful and has had no possession of eminent domain or representation of sovereignty since 1931. (because they are) its the biggest elephant in the room every judge has to skate around. and don't tell your attorney, because your attorney is obliged to the state and will abandon you as soon as you bring it up.
This is only as a last resort measure. because it is the foundation in which the provinces are going to be using to form independent in the coming near future.
If they win, I mean when they win.. I will be first in line to order the modern hunter in .308. My only regret in regards to guns is not buying one of those when I had the chance… used to think 3k for a gun was expensive… HAH.
I suppose the government using a tragedy in another country to fully ban all semin autos in Canada would render your court case obsolete, causing you guys to waste tens of thousands of dollars and the government avoiding a judgement ? Because it looks like exactly why Justin is tripping over his two feet to grandstand on some dead American children… beat those court cases.
Based on history, a bill tabled in the HOC could take a few years to pass and implement. If the ball begins to roll in a direction that would ban all semi-auto's, ATRS will still have their day in court and when they win, they will be busier than they could possibly imagine.
I feel the same.
I have abided by all the current laws even though in many cases they are intentionally vague, illogical or just downright dumb. I had a work colleague (sensible guy who owns hunting rifles / shotguns etc) ask me the other day if I supported more gun laws / checks in the US after the most recent tragedy and he was shocked when I said no. I went on to explain that my issue is these things are a slippery slope and as someone who has seen it from the inside once it starts it never stops. As a law abiding citizen who enjoys shooting sports as my hobby I am sick of it, and for that reason I cannot support it. He seemed shocked and went on to say he felt it would save lives.
I mentioned that the laws he craves for the US are already in place here in Canada and that the Gabrielle Wortman had no trouble getting around them. He looked kinda perplexed. I then went on to explain that I grew up in a country where guns were all but banned and 3500 people died through guns and bombs (bear in mind that this was a small island nation & was heavily militarized and it still happened). I think he gave up at that point.
There can be no doubt this is political, King Turdhole (the frontman) & the backroom guys (the brains) at the Liberal party have calculated that this can be sold to the sheep as a "win". They have run the numbers and figured out that this will result in a net vote gain overall (ie they will gain more votes from uninformed soccer moms who support these futile measures than they will lose from pissed off gun owners who may have voted Liberal - wouldn't be many I'm sure but no doubt they exist).
In part this is easy as overall participation in gun sports is relatively low, and at least some of that is due to gun sports being regulated to death to make them less attractive. When folks hear what is entailed to get into guns and the efforts to stay on the right side of the law moving forward no doubt some are put off. Another example is suppressors, not legal in Canada - why? What other arena is Joe Average denied PPE? In most environments it is encouraged if not mandated (workplaces etc) for good reason. I believe the underlying reason is suppressors make guns less obnoxious (particularly to new shooters and females) but the government doesn't want that and would prefer to keep them obnoxious to reduce uptake (kinda like air soft "gateway" guns - same principal).
Most people are uninformed / ignorant and have no clue what laws / restrictions are already in place so if a conversation arises they will simply agree that more laws is the right thing (due to a combination of not caring as they have no skin in the game, ignorance of the current laws and peer pressure because they think saying anything else will make them sound like they are supporting gun violence).
I will add that the second motivation for King Turdhole in all this is a plum job with the UN or one of those other lefty alphabet organizations where he can fly around, be condescending and show off stupid socks as he knows his days as the dictator of Canada will eventually come to an end. With the economy going in the crapper that day is hopefully coming soon.
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Personally I am sick and tired of all these AR180 platforms.. the possibility of the Modern Sporter coming back is the one & only thing that excites me.
Same, not sure why but I just cant love the AR180.
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- calgary alberta
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