Bill c21 shotgun issue?
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12ga shotguns with removeable chokes were never intended to be captured by the May 1 OIC, the government and the RCMP has been consistent on that. They claim that the bore diameter of a shotgun is measured infront of the chamber but before the choke.
There was never an issue if one knew anything about shotguns and how chokes are designed and measured per SAMM 1 requirements and they were never on a list. Gun owners who didnot understand this wanted everyone to bleed put them there in their minds ONLY
Cheers
They are ok for now until someone in the RCMP Firearms lab changes their mind on the definition of bore,which could happen at any moment. They realized they screwed up when they wrote the law and banned ever duck gun in the country. They realized there would be a huge backlash so they got the RCMP to define bore a different way.OK for now but could change at any time on a whim. To think the RCMP won't change the definition at some point is naive. They certainly did it with a bunch of guns that were ruled as not AR 15 variants and all of a sudden they are now listed as variants. It all depends on who heads the RCMP and whether they kowtow to the political pressure from above.
Here we go again. Not biting this time. There is only one true way to define a bore and SAMM1 outlines it and EVERY shotgun manufacturer follows it
Some thing called industry standard and not naive
Jesus may come back to earth soon also
Shoot your shotguns boys and enjoy them and worry when there is something to worry about not BS
Some thing called industry standard and not naive
Jesus may come back to earth soon also
Shoot your shotguns boys and enjoy them and worry when there is something to worry about not BS
The forcing cone is in front of the chamber and before the choke. Measured one of those lately?
Saami means nothing to the RCMP firearms lab. They make their own determinations and have for years. Joe likes to bury his head in the sand and deny on this one as he's scared his retirement fund just went poof lol.
Everyone that has one went poof. At least I have one to lose LOL
Keep working and maybe just maybe you will get where I am some day
Then again I retired at 46 so
From the RCMP: (https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/firea...adas-prohibition-certain-firearms-and-devices)
Emphasis mine, but CLEARLY the RCMP does give a crap about SAAMI, and thats not the only source they are using. Could they change their mind? Perhaps, but think of what that would mean: Literally millions of shotguns added to the buyback. Hundreds of millions, if not billions of dollars would be needed to just PAY for those guns, let alone the collection/destruction/whatever. The current buyback is already a massive expense that is causing them nothing but problems (Notice how they banned TRANSFER of handguns, rather than banning handguns, so they don't have to pay us for 'em?), they have no interest in having to do another buyback nor quadrupling the scope of the current buyback.
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It's also hard to argue when the bore diameter is stamped on the barrel of many new guns. I'll believe Beretta engineers that my a400 barrel is 18.6mm bore as stamped over anyone who believes the expanded section to take a choke is counted as the bore without a choke installed. The RCMP clearly states in writing they follow the standardized measuring system of the afte
I think it fascinating how many of you think that because the RCMP are saying one thing now, they won't change their minds as soon as it fits their or their political masters, the Liberals, agenda. We have seen in other areas of gun control laws how they intentionally make the language vague so they can do what they want down the road. i.e. storage laws.
The government, politicians and bureaucrats, regularly BS us and change their direction, policy and rules. Remember when Trudeau said he wasn't coming for our guns? They are to be trusted to follow their own pronouncements and guidelines as far as you can throw Justin with one hand.
The government, politicians and bureaucrats, regularly BS us and change their direction, policy and rules. Remember when Trudeau said he wasn't coming for our guns? They are to be trusted to follow their own pronouncements and guidelines as far as you can throw Justin with one hand.
I don't think anyone is saying they can't or won't change their opinion? We're simply stating how things are currently. The OP asked if 12ga shotguns were still part of the list, and the answer to that is no, they never were.
IMO they'll never use the May 1 OIC to ban shotguns for one big reason: compensation. They have already realized how much of a hassle they created for themselves, and adding 12ga shotguns to that list of guns they need to buyback (the vast majority of which are NR to boot) would instantly increase the scope of the buyback by multiple fold.
I also don't think they currently have any want to ban shotguns for two reasons: first is there simply isn't the public support - Banning Assault weapons and handguns are popular among the ignorant masses, but those same people are far less likely to support bans on hunting rifles and duck guns. Second it runs a very real risk of getting a lot of people politically active - there are a lot of gun owners who vote left, and a lot of gun owners who don't vote. Banning the 12ga shotgun runs the risk of mobilizing all those people against the Liberals.
Long story short, I don't think they currently have anything to gain from banning the 12ga, but a lot to potentially lose.
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You're wrong in this case. The definition of bore measurement will end up being decided, eventually, in Court. SAAMI is not a binding legal authority. Eventually a case will be pushed through Court and will be decided by a Justice at the Supreme Court. They will decide this based on the legal arguments. Defence will argue that SAAMI spec for a 12ga shotgun is X and Crown will argue that the widest point within the barrel constitutes the maximum bore size. Whomever the Justices decide to believe will ultimately dictate the legal definition of "bore size".
The only issue is the internet geeks / complicators that have to post every piece of nonsense on one site or another. If it is a issue to you go do your research with the authorities and your question will be answered
Not everyone is a single issue voter. For many, guns are just another piece of sporting equipment, not much different from a set of golf clubs or a hockey stick. For others, guns are important but just not THE ONLY thing that is important.
I hold my nose and vote CPC because 1) guns are important to me beyond just the sporting aspect, and 2) Trudeau is a corrupt piece of #### that needs to go... But if there was an electable alternative to both of these parties that actually had meaningful plans to address things like the growing wealth inequality in this country, the housing crisis, the gang problem, the growing homeless population, the need for more funding for the education and healthcare systems, then I would have to seriously consider them. Luckily for the CPC we live in a country that only has two electable parties, and the current Liberal Regime has shown themselves to be unfit to lead.
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Ya I am wrong and I will die with my shotguns any BETS
What is wrong with you guys do you want all guns gone. I sure think so
We have enough problems with losing certain designs of guns and now our handguns to even worry about such BS and that is what it is PURE BS
If they wanted my semi shotguns or these what some to believe choke tubed banned shotguns they would have been on that list
See those guns make money for the government hunting HUGE money so are going no where my AR makes them nothing
YA the justice will go against SAMM1. IN YOUR DREAMS
Read this link and then tell me they will challenge them and win NOT and SAMM1 is accepted world wide. Their members pockets are beyond DEEP. Even the Liberals are not that stupid
The Sporting Arms and Admmunition Manufacturers’ Institute (SAAMI) is an association of the nation’s leading manufacturers of firearms, ammunition and components. SAAMI was founded in 1926 at the request of the federal government.
ht tps://saami.org/
Voting & Associate Members
Alliant Powder
Beretta USA Corporation
Browning Arms Company
CCI/Speer
Federal Cartridge Company
Fiocchi of America, Inc.
Glock
Hodgdon Powder Company
Hornady Manufacturing Company
Kahr Arms
Marlin Firearms Compan
Northrop Grumman Innovation Systems/New River Energetics
North American Arms, Inc.
Nosler, Inc.
O. F. Mossberg and Sons, Inc.
Olin Corporation/Winchester Division
Quantum Ammunition
RUAG Ammotec USA, Inc.
Savage Arms, Inc.
SIG SAUER
Smith & Wesson Corp.
St. Marks Powder, Inc.`
Sturm Ruger and Company, Inc.
Taurus Holdings, Inc.
True Velocity
Weatherby, Inc.
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