First Pistol (Update)

Rudy H said:
And next you are going to tell us that ### feels just as good with a condom. :rolleyes:

Sure you can make do with anything if required to. But I would like to see you shoot a gun double action in a bullseye match. Put up a slow fire target and shoot it for the best score with shooting double. How many 10s do you think you will get?

Double action guns are used to improve safety under high stress condition but this is at the expense of accuracy. No BS.

Look back and you will see that I said it is easier to learn to shoot a single action gun well. It takes more work to be able to shoot a double action gun well. If you can then you may be a better shooter since with a double action gun you have to concentrate harder prior to the hammer fall and most likely you will also follow though after the shot.

There are a lot of things to do right when pistol shooting. Sight alignment, trigger control, consistent grip, stance, etc. Learning to shoot double action is just one more thing to take your concentration off all the other things you are trying to do right.

It also depends on what type of shooting you do. In most of the "combat" shooting games you don't have to be all that accurate in most of the shots. The highest scoring zone is quite large and the targets are typically close. (generally this is true but not always) Most guns are good enough for this.
Click to expand...

'Rohann' is looking for something in the $900 range, that he could potentially use in IDPA or IPSC- at least that is what I read at the start of this thread... The guns that dominate these sports (in that price range) are 'service type' pistols. Most of these happen to be DA/SA or a striker type firing system.

I'm not going to debate the DA vs. SA accuracy potential of pistols overall, as that diverts significantly off the threads' topic, -all I'm saying is that discussion is meaningless considering the subject. There is no reason for a new shooter to shy away from a pistol that has the capability of DA. (in fact I'd recommend that getting one with it would be a good idea if they have desire to become proficient with it.)
Can someone be as accurate with a service pistol in DA as they are in SA? You bet!! My opinion, YMMV.
 
Rohann said:
Rudy: I can still learn on a SA/DA can't I? Unless I decock the pistol before I shoot it's going to be SA isn't it (226's are DA/SA are they not?)?
Click to expand...

You can learn to shoot any gun. Guns that are single action only can have a nicer trigger compared to stock SA/DA guns. Guns that are SA/DA can be shot SA. You #### the hammer and then you shoot it. Guns that are SA/DA that have a safety that can be applied when the gun is cocked are allowed to be holstered that way in combat shooting sports, so you are shooting the first shot as a single action. Guns that have a decocker drop the hammer and must be holstered that way. Your first shot is double action and following shots are single action. Double action only guns are double action for every shot. "safe action" guns are somewhere in between a double action and a single action. They have their uses and their drawbacks.

As I said before, it is easier to learn on a good single action gun. They all work. You can learn to shoot them all well enough. Some just take more work than others.

If someone asked me what kind of gun I think would be best to learn pistol shooting I would say a medium frame S&W revolver and shoot midrange 38 Special loads.

I never said "buy a single action only gun" just to consider the benefits. You were real close to getting a 1911 in 9mm until I pointed out the slightly reduced magazine capacity (not a huge concern but I felt it should be pointed out). The 1911 is a single action only trigger. A very good choice. There are good reasons why the 1911 is so popular. The trigger is one of them.

There are a lot more "modern" guns available now. Most of these guns are designed as service guns, and as I said, there is an emphasis on safety "on the street" rather providing a desirable trigger "on the range".

You have to decide what kind of shooting you want to do and then decide what kind of gun meets your needs. Like everything else in life, its a compromise in most cases. So pick the best you can for your immediate needs. If it is not ideal for all the kind of shooting activities you do then buy another one that fits the new requirements.
 
Ohh okay; no what I meant was isn't a SA/DA pistol fine for learning SA with, but you answered the question (thanks for the clarification, I'd assumed SAO triggers would be the same as SA/DA in SA).
I was quite close to getting a 9mm 1911 but your point as well as the fact that I couldn't find a one I liked in my price range deterred me from it.

I am steering clear of DA only or "safe action" pistols though. I do thank you for all your recommendations and advice though, it's much appreciated.

I know this may sound silly, but if I do end up with, say, a 226, would cocking the hammer while unholstering be practical?

-Rohann
 
I know this may sound silly, but if I do end up with, say, a 226, would cocking the hammer while unholstering be practical?
Click to expand...

IPSC rules for Production, First shot must be DA first pull. I never had a problem with DA first shot, thats if your gonna use it for it...I don't have the option of manually cocking my hammer, I had it bobbed off..
 
The SIG is a good gun. You might consider the stainless steel frame if it is available in the configuration you would like. A lighter gun is desirable if you are going to be carrying it all day. For shooting a lot of people prefer more weight.

Weight incl. magazine:
9 mm Para 898 g, 31.7 oz
.40 S&W 920 g, 32.45 oz
.357 SIG 920 g, 32.45 oz
Stainlees steel 1170 g, 41.3 oz
 
Thanks!
I think the stainless is more expensive (and apparently it's being discontinued), so I might just stick with regular (if it's too light I might just shove a surefire on there or something).
I was thinking of getting a used P226 from TSE, as they look to be in a good condition and they're a fair bit cheaper. Any experience with them?

-Rohann
 
New is factory new
Certified is certified pre owned. Was issued to a police officer. It is inspected for worn parts and sold again. Only problems should be cosmetic.
I would go for a new.
Stop asking questions and go buy one ASAP :D
 
Sorry meant to clarify: the two pistols look significantly different. The used is without a rail(?) on the bottom, and a number of the characteristics look different.

-Rohann
 
Rohann said:
Sorry meant to clarify: the two pistols look significantly different. The used is without a rail(?) on the bottom, and a number of the characteristics look different.

-Rohann
Click to expand...

There are different models that can be "Certified pre-owned"

They are Factory refurbished and tested by Sig to make sure the are sellable. Pretty much a factory refinish and testing.

Im pretty sure my friends is a CPO, it really does look new, but you get a good price break on them!

You would have to ask Wolverine what they have in stock for the CPO and brand-new, but you should be able to get most models either NEW or CPO! (except X5's)
 
Oh okay awesome, sounds like a good deal. What different models are there (what's the one up there?)? What's the difference between those two models?

-Rohann
 
Rohann said:
Oh okay awesome, sounds like a good deal. What different models are there (what's the one up there?)? What's the difference between those two models?

-Rohann
Click to expand...

Your best bet is to go to the SIG website:

SIG PISTOL LISTINGS:
http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/ShowCatalogCategory.aspx?categoryid=1

CERTIFIED PRE OWNED LISTINGS
http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=55&productid=201


and check out the various models they have :)


You can use the CPO link to check out which models they "have" as CPO, then use the main link to find out which one you want to get.

Good luck! :D
 
Last edited:
Late

I have been going through the same process trying to select a suitable pistol. I have decided on a Beretta 92FS 9mm.
Check out the Beretta forum.
The gun is reliable as proven by the US military testing. Many reputable people Maasab Ayob (sp?) to name one recommend it.
Besides it's way ###y:runaway:
 
Restlessone said:
I have been going through the same process trying to select a suitable pistol. I have decided on a Beretta 92FS 9mm.
Check out the Beretta forum.
The gun is reliable as proven by the US military testing. Many reputable people Maasab Ayob (sp?) to name one recommend it.
Besides it's way ###y:runaway:
Click to expand...

Right on! Beretta 92F has the least reliable problems among those in the market. And it is the best looking gun in the world. I may sell some of my body part to get one this year.

Trigun
 
F22: Thanks for the reference, but all they list is "226, 229, 220", etc.

What I mean is, what's the difference between this P226:
5-17-2007-4_31_38-PM_SIG-P226-Certified.jpg


And the new one listed:
9-26-2006-3_41_32-PM_226R.jpg


Both are listed as standard 226 models, and I couldn't find a 226 that looked exactly like the CPO one up top.
So what is the difference? Has the model changed over the last few years? Why do they look different? It's the same deal on the SIG site.

-Rohann
 
Last couple years sig releast numbers of different so call 226 Model, base are 226 with very little different like the pic that shown with a rail and no rail. I think all the CPO are older model.

Trigun
 
Oh okay, thanks for the clarificaiton. Yeah a number of small things do look quite different, so I'm not surprised. Is the price decrease worth it then? Are there any advantages to the newer vs. older?

-Rohann
 
Oh I noticed the older version has a manual safety...would this be desirable?

Oh: played around with a few firearms at the armoury today (annual mass cleaning/weapons inspection), which included a Browning Hi-Power and a Desert Eagle in .44. The Hi-power I found slightly uncomfortable and found the slide release a little far forward (or just stiff to release, considering they're over 60 years old), but the Desert Eagle I actually found quite comfortable. Is this any help into what kind of pistol would fit most comfortably?

-Rohann
 
Last edited:
IMO a manual safe is only good for a carry gun. A range gun don't really need to safty. I never use the safty of my CZ. Although the the CPO Sig is a little cheaper, but I do rather buy a slighty used newer model. I notice some member bought a gun and will sell them very soon at a great price.

Trigun
 
Well if I'm going to be doing IPSC or IDPA then a manual safety would be very helpful, as you're not allowed to have it cocked and holstered and single action is more consistent than shooting DA then SA.

-Rohann
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom