375 ruger velocity

Yes indeed. It's refreshing to hear a non biased, realistic, and practical assessment instead of all this "375 Ruger King of the 375's" crap.

Right todbartell/Gatehouse? ;) :p

I already did a practical assesment using handloads and factory ammo, (6 months ago) and listed what I felt was the advantage of the 375 Ruger over the H&H, and it was similar to what Boomer and Pharoh just said.:


Easy enough. The rifle. As of now, your choices for an H&H are fairly limited. The CZ seems to be the most affordible, but their also very heavy and I wouldn't want to lug one around for several, all day days. Their large, clubby but solid. Next up I think would be say a Sako. In the Ultra, well that's a different beast altogether. The Ruger rifle is a fairly lightweight, sporter style hunting rifle. Maximum horsepower in a reasonable package

I'm a little surprised by the anti-.375 Ruger sentiment expressed by some posters. The new package allows folks to get .375 H&H performance in a smaller package which translates into a better handling rifle at a lower price. When a 300 gr bullet exits the muzzle at 2500 fps, does it really matter what the cartridge looked like? The only criticism I have of this rifle is that the magazine capacity is slightly lacking at only 3 rounds available. This criticism is a little weak coming from me in that I carried a Ruger #1 for quite sometime as my primary bear protection.

I also went out and killed a nice bear with it, just to make sure that .375 bullets launched form a 375 Ruger dont' actually bounce off animals.;)



Some of you guys just are easy trolls, and that has been proven time and time over on this and any other thread that involves the 375 Ruger.:D

375 Ruger- NEW KING!!!
 
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I think the next step for me will to try a marginally slower powder than 760. I hit the pressure wall without running out of capacity in the case, so clearly to improve the performance of the AB's I need a slower powder. The Hornady factory load drives a 270 gr bullet at 2656, so 2700 out of the 20" barrel with the 260 gr AB's is certainly possible. I think I'll try Re-19 and Re-22. If that doesn't work I'll dive into my rapidly dwindling stock of H-4350, as Gate seems to of had good luck with it. I hate loading with a drop tube, but I might have to make an exception here.

Boomer, I didn't need a drop tube to fit 84gr of H4350 into the case, I just dumped it out of the RCBS chargemaster pan into the funnel, and into the case...:)

Case was full, but no drop tube required. Powder was *slightly* compressed, but there was no issue with seating, and bullets have not worked thier way back out....

Also, keep in mind that my load of 84gr H4350 and a 260Accubond is 0.5 gr over the Hodgon max load. Safety first!!:cool:

IMR 4350 might be a bit bulkier/harder pouring due to it's cord wood size granules, although I've never thought it was really difficult to get into in larger bore cartridges.:)
 
All is not lost in the lack of brass availablity department guys you can always get some 6.5X68 or 8X68S brass that you can easily neck up to 375 trim to length then fireform them.

Unfortunately these cases are not designed for the 60,000 PSI of the Ruger's and the rim's are about .008" less than the Ruger but they will work...
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No real need, as anyone that owns a 375 Ruger has not had an issue getting ammo or brass.:)
 
I'm still not sure what real practical advantage the .375 Ruger would have over the .375 RUM or H&H if you already own one of these guns.

I'm not sure why I see so many gun cabinets with 10 guns in them, and the line up is 22LR, .308, 30-06, 270, 280, .300Savage, 303 (x2) 12 guage (x2)
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If I had a .375 that I liked I wouldn't necessarily trade it in for a Ruger, just as if I had a 300WM I woudln't necessarily trade it in for a 300WSM.

However, if I liked what the Ruger package offers over an existing 375, I sure might.;)
 
Well Gatehouse, I don't mean to s**t on your parade, but as I said, I travelled down in Montana and stocked up on supplies. I already have tons of .357H&H brass, so much so that I can share some with a friend. As a matter of curiousity, I asked about .375 Ruger brass and the answer was " duhhhh, .375 what?". As a matter of fact, I was in Toke and Haines Alaska just this past September....same answer. Hmmm...what's this Ruger Alaskan all about??? and the locals never heard of it. ?


I asked some of my Alaskan friends about this, here is what one had to say:

Yup , I have seen them in all the box stores, from Wal-Mart to Sportsmans Warehouse. Prices from $839 to $999 depending on finish and Model.

I'll post more answers as I recieve them.:)


Here is another:

Yeah, and there's a bunch of them. I've had mine for about 6-7 months now. Most of the Wal-Mart's ( at least all of the one's I've been in) around here have the African and the Alaskan available. Same with Sportsman's Warehouse and the smaller gun shops. No shortage of Hornady ammo, either. Over on the Alaska forum (different website) there is quite a few guys that have the 375 Ruger.

and others:

The 375 Ruger's in both African and the Alaskan model are available pretty much wherever. Hornady ammo as well.

There was a used one at the local pawnshop for about 27 minutes..

The wal-mart in Wasilla had all three last time I was there a week ago.

The two blued versions were 839 and the stainless one was 799
 
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As a matter of fact, I was in Toke and Haines Alaska just this past September....same answer. Hmmm...what's this Ruger Alaskan all about??? and the locals never heard of it.


Go to Africa and see what the natives have to say about it, or any cartridge with smokeless powder....:p
 
For those of you curious why the 375 Ruger is not King it is because the 375 RUM is the real king of the hill... hail the real King...

The Real King the 375 RUM, this fellow completed a series of test with his new Rem 700 LSS and was glad to report that this round is not likely to fade away like so many of the new full length beltless Mags. It has the power of the 416 Rem and the trajectory of a 270 Win in full power configuration and is not the least bit temperamental when reloading. This includes a wide variety of reduced loads suitable for duplication of the 35 Whelen and 375 H&H. Expansion ratio is the same as the 270 Win, so it uses the same powders to shoot bullets of equal sectional density the same velocity: 4350, 4831, R19 and IMR 7828 all work very well over a good range of bullet weights. Just double the weight of any 270 bullet and you will get the velocity of the 270...a 130 gr 270 at 3000 to 3150 fps is a 260 gr 375 at the same velocities, and so on.

Rumor has it that Rem will follow the approach they used for the 416, by offering factory reduced loads once the cartridge establishes a basic market. These will be reduced pressure loads insensitive to heat and cold giving 375 H&H velocities and a slight recoil reduction below the H&H. This is an excellent marketing idea, as many, many 375 H&H rifles are sold and one would be hard pressed to pass up a 375 RUM for the same price with the same long established performance with the up side in power and range available in the same rifle. Length, magazine capacity and case head size are the same.

The handloader can, of course, make these reduced loads now, and my experience is that consistency and accuracy are excellent with XMP 5744 and IMR 4064...even at load densities of less than 60 percent. Top all around load for deer is 59 grs of XMP 5744 with a 225 gr Hornady SP at 2673 fps. The same charge will give 2430 fps from a 270 gr Hornady SP. Both of these are 35 Whelen duplication loads and have the same recoil.

To move up to a good 375 H&H load try 78 grs of IMR 4064 with the Hornady 270 SP for 2640 fps. This has the recoil of a 338 Win Mag and the authority of the H&H.

For full power loads, the best powder for 270 and 300 gr bullets was IMR 7828 and believe it or not, there is no difference in velocity between the 375 RUM and the 378 Weatherby when both rounds are loaded to the same pressure. IHe didn't give load data, because it makes NO SENSE to use max pressures in the RUM case necked to .375, because nothing is gained in any practical sense. You can safely get 5800 FP out of it in a 26 inch bbl. 5200 FP is PLENTY, and the recoil is far more manageable. Factory loads come in a a shade over 5000 and are sub-max.

He did the same type of tests with the 338 RUM, and it is also a fine round, but one is left wondering if the long action and the recoil are really worth it compared to the 338 Win Mag. One is left with the notion that the 338 RUM advantage is one of RANGE rather than power, since the smaller 338 Win will perform very well on dangerous game in close and still shoot flat enough for 300 yard opportunities.

The 375 RUM is a different proposition, as the next step down is the 375 H&H and they both come in the same rifles and action lengths. And one can still drop down to deer sized game with less overkill than a 300 Win mag. At the top end, a 300 gr partition at 2800 fps (reduced load) will take the pucker factor out of dusk in Griz country. For Africa there are a number of 350 gr 375s that will loaf along at 2600 fps with great authority.
 
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For those of you curious why the 375 Ruger is not King it is because the 375 RUM is the real king of the hill... hail the real King...

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You wish...:D

If velocity made a cartridge king, the 30-378 woudl be the King of the .30 calibers, but we all know the 30-06 still holds that title...:)

It has already long been decided that the 375 Ruger is the NEW KING, I am afraid you are TOO LATE.;)
 
nobody wants Ultra Mags, not even with the new ammo with reduced loads. Even the 300 Ultra, most popular of the bunch, is almost impossible to sell. Any other Ultra is next to dead.

A true King will not die ;)
 
Ahhhhh my friend... I'm not talking velocity alone...

That is what makes the 375 RUM the Real King...

It can also be downloaded to the same miniscule velocities of the 375 Ruger...
 
Ahhhhh my friend... I'm not talking velocity alone...

That is what makes the 375 RUM the Real King...

It can also be downloaded to the same miniscule velocities of the 375 Ruger...

Say both rifles are zero'd at 200 yards (RUM w/ 26" barrel and Ruger w/20" barrel)

Trajectory difference at 400 yards is about 3"-4"...Hardly signifigant at that range. And the lil' ol 375 Ruger still arrives at the 400 yd target with about 2500 ft/lbs of energy...Which is pretty darn decent!!! :)

Why bother DOWN LOADING, when you can just have a 375 Ruger?:p

Boomer uses an Ultra to achieve H&H ++ velocities in a short barrel, and use *real* heavy bullets at good speed, and that makes sense. But why lug around a 26" barrel rifle if you want *less* velocity?

The Ultra had it's shot at the crown, and it FAILED. It never even got to prince status, it was mostly ignored......:(

The Ruger is the NEW KING- and we all know this....:dancingbanana:
 
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