Belgian man has a warehouse full of Leopard tanks, willing to sell:

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This for all the guys who have a garage full of "I'm not selling it hon, it'll be worth something, some day."

This guy has y'all beat.

 
When I was completing my LAV III Crew Commander Course in Petawawa back in 2003, we were able to shoot our old Leopard 1 turrets. Short story; at 1000m the 25mm TPFS-T ammo easily punched through both sides of the turret.
 
I just want one of their surplus barrels...buddy of mine got ahold of one from Suffield and cut in half, made two very accurate cannons with the two pieces...Datsun truck accurate at 600 M with 1 lb of BP.
 
The recovery tanks would be useful in Ukraine!

Back in the early 90s a doctor in town purchased a T55 and had shipped to our town (deep sea port). Armament was deactived before shipping. Went to his camp for a cool conversation piece. From what I heard it only cost $15,000
 
Obsolete Leo 1s - not worth a pinch of coon stuff against a modern MBT without some serious lethality and survivability upgrades.....

When I was completing my LAV III Crew Commander Course in Petawawa back in 2003, we were able to shoot our old Leopard 1 turrets. Short story; at 1000m the 25mm TPFS-T ammo easily punched through both sides of the turret.

Ooooooo.......that's not good at all. If you're in the Leopard I mean.

You might be missing the point.

The Ukrainians have been using dangerously obsolete Soviet era tanks all along... But generally not in a "tank" role, but as heavily armoured SPA. If you're taking counter-battery fire, would you rather be in a CAESAR, or hull down and buttoned up in a Leopard 1?

If the drivetrains and guns can be made to work, reliably, again... The Ukrainians will make use of them. They've proven immensely adept at thinking outside the box at how to effectively use everything that fling ammo.
 
I wonder if they would take that stockpile of AMX-13's in the video as well. Maybe in an infantry support role...
 
well considering that there are a lot of T62 and T64 tanks in use I don't think a few Leo1s are going to do that bad.

most of the tank on tank kills seem to have been short range engagements from what I am seeing and hearing.

Leo1 in the infantry support roll, or in an ambush positions where several Leo1s can be concentrated at a choke point to overwhelm any approaching tanks at close range.
 
well considering that there are a lot of T62 and T64 tanks in use I don't think a few Leo1s are going to do that bad.

most of the tank on tank kills seem to have been short range engagements from what I am seeing and hearing.

Leo1 in the infantry support roll, or in an ambush positions where several Leo1s can be concentrated at a choke point to overwhelm any approaching tanks at close range.

I see them being useful in the infantry support role as well as being used as tank/IFV destroyers in hull down/prepared positions. 105mm ammo and spares may be a problem though; scrapyards and museums watch out.;) I've examined several T-62s that were KO'd by 105mm guns on Israeli Centurions and M60s. The APDS penetrations are very distinctive.
 
It depends also on quantity. The UK sent 14 tanks, which will be more trouble than they are worth in terms of training, logistics and maintenance. The Ukraine is stuck with being set up for the equipment of the enemy, so small quantities of western kit, or larger quantity of old western kit isn't great.
 
You might be missing the point.

The Ukrainians have been using dangerously obsolete Soviet era tanks all along... But generally not in a "tank" role, but as heavily armoured SPA. If you're taking counter-battery fire, would you rather be in a CAESAR, or hull down and buttoned up in a Leopard 1?

If the drivetrains and guns can be made to work, reliably, again... The Ukrainians will make use of them. They've proven immensely adept at thinking outside the box at how to effectively use everything that fling ammo.

I'm merely pointing out that the Leopard 1 is definitely not the Leopard 2. I still think that they would be better served with whatever leftover T-72s are out there than an outdated western tank with its own peculiarities and logistical challenges.
 
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