Bear hunt gone wrong

Spent a dozen years working remote amongst the relatively small boreal grizz well off road access. I honestly can’t say they were more aggressive, though they definitely are more predatory as anything is potentially on the menu for them.

Coastal bears grow up fighting for position due to density, all have scars, the biggest we ever hunted had a fresh gash down to his ribs. They treat you the same as any other bear, and I respect equal treatment.

Between the two groups, the coastals interacted with you more, I put that down to density. Both have my equal respect.
 
m1008 said:
She’s way out of shape, huffing and puffing can’t see her carrying a gun. She’s the spotter telling him to take the shot yet she doesn’t know if he hit the bear.

Can’t see a small piece of primer locking up the rifle because it’s sitting in the action screw hole.

Too bad the bear didn’t get its revenge
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She is out of shape?
 
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This needs to change wrt their local regs:

"As far as the rifle situation— I wanted to make it clear that I am not just going out on bear hunts Willy nilly and not thinking through every decision and what to pack. We had this rifle discussion for awhile and considered taking 2 rifles before this hunt so I could back Trevor up as his next of kin “guide” as other Alaska guides do for their clients.

Since this was a DIY hunt and I’m not a registered guide but merely next of kin, troopers told me that registered guides can legally back up their clients, but it would be illegal for me to shoot at any bear. I could not legally back up Trevor with a rifle because I did not have a tag in my pocket and I was tagged out for 2 more years (I got my bear in 2019)."

(1) She should have been carrying a rifle AND a handgun.
(2) They should have been carrying more ammunition in speed loaders on his chest rig for the revolver, they mentioned they only had one reload of 5 rounds.
(3) I know in the moment things are a blur, but how did the revolver fall out of the chest rig? If they had not seen where it fell, this hunting story would have had a much different outcome. So, I'd be checking that revolver rig!

Outside of that, I also think the initial shots were just too far & precipitated the situation which then spiralled out of control.

Cheers
Jay
 
Does anyone with a Remington model 700 rifle understand what the guy is eluding to regarding the primer locking the rifle up? Can this be easily duplicated with a spent primer? I'm also curious on what kind of pressures those reloads had. I don't think you gain 200 fps over factory without some kind of cost, even though he says the charge was less than max.
 
saskgunowner101 said:
Does anyone with a Remington model 700 rifle understand what the guy is eluding to regarding the primer locking the rifle up? Can this be easily duplicated with a spent primer? I'm also curious on what kind of pressures those reloads had. I don't think you gain 200 fps over factory without some kind of cost, even though he says the charge was less than max.
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Similar to scope base screws that are too long and the bolt won’t close, the hole for the front action screw is right through the and lines up with the right/bottom lug when the bolt is in battery. I think it’s a story for another issue(s). Guys saying the screw was too short and wasn’t flush with the inside out the action, which created a little pocket for the primer pieces? To sit in stopping the bolt.

Who knows what altitude they where hunting at compared to what the load was developed at.
 
Jay said:
This needs to change wrt their local regs:

"As far as the rifle situation— I wanted to make it clear that I am not just going out on bear hunts Willy nilly and not thinking through every decision and what to pack. We had this rifle discussion for awhile and considered taking 2 rifles before this hunt so I could back Trevor up as his next of kin “guide” as other Alaska guides do for their clients.

Since this was a DIY hunt and I’m not a registered guide but merely next of kin, troopers told me that registered guides can legally back up their clients, but it would be illegal for me to shoot at any bear. I could not legally back up Trevor with a rifle because I did not have a tag in my pocket and I was tagged out for 2 more years (I got my bear in 2019)."

(1) She should have been carrying a rifle AND a handgun.
(2) They should have been carrying more ammunition in speed loaders on his chest rig for the revolver, they mentioned they only had one reload of 5 rounds.
(3) I know in the moment things are a blur, but how did the revolver fall out of the chest rig? If they had not seen where it fell, this hunting story would have had a much different outcome. So, I'd be checking that revolver rig!

Outside of that, I also think the initial shots were just too far & precipitated the situation which then spiralled out of control.

Cheers
Jay
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if you ever run with a pistol on your chest rig you will find out that you can lost it ... we were fishing in alaska and a friend of us lost his pistol and we were not running just walking at a nice pace ... nor my wife nor i lost ever on a chest rig but you never know.

back up rifle and a back up shooter can trigger some reactions from local cos ... i was on my way to back up a friend while hunting the little corner of the yukon filled with the big brown bear. i did not have a tag for a grizzly and when we were checked by the local cos they clearly stated if you do not have a tag you can not hunt nor do any backup as there is not such a definition in the wildlife act and regulations for non guided hunters. so the same as in alaska.

maybe she should have a shotgun for dlp and another pistol if she can shoot it otherwise it is useless ...
 
Ardent said:
Spent a dozen years working remote amongst the relatively small boreal grizz well off road access. I honestly can’t say they were more aggressive, though they definitely are more predatory as anything is potentially on the menu for them.

Coastal bears grow up fighting for position due to density, all have scars, the biggest we ever hunted had a fresh gash down to his ribs. They treat you the same as any other bear, and I respect equal treatment.

Between the two groups, the coastals interacted with you more, I put that down to density. Both have my equal respect.
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i agree both have my respect but i can guarantee i will never let a grizzly getting closer to us like the brown bear are doing and we can see that every year while salmon fishing in alaska.

and i did not mention even the barren ground ones way comparable to the polar bears in behaviour.
 
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m1008 said:
She’s way out of shape, huffing and puffing can’t see her carrying a gun. She’s the spotter telling him to take the shot yet she doesn’t know if he hit the bear.

Can’t see a small piece of primer locking up the rifle because it’s sitting in the action screw hole.

Too bad the bear didn’t get its revenge
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m1008 said:
Look at the video about Timothy treadwell getting killed and eaten in front of his girlfriend by a starved bear that wasn’t gonna make it through the winter, or stories of bears waking up in the winter because they’re starving, look out.
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well strong word about bear revenge. i do not know who you are but it takes a lot for a group of hunter to tell a story that doesnt balance in their favor.

about the second part you certainly knows better than the people that took care for years of tt and the location he was and that came after they lost contact with him ...

once you are entering in bear country you know what can be the outcome or you re smarter than most.
 
Wow. Watched this video that is attached to this thread, miserable weather all the way in this hunt, lots of variables came into play when they are over shooting a Brown Bear at 475 yards with a Remington 700 bolt action 338 ultra mag. Sad they had a rifle malfunction while using hot rounds and jams the rifle causing a life threating situation with a wounded bear on the attack. Not having a backup rifle for SHTF event just incase is poor planning. Having a 454 Casull hand gun on the ready is nice and very smart, sad again, it wasn't secured better than it was. Loosing this handgun temporary while in a panic event could have been definitely ended poorly for them indeed if they didn't find it right away in the surrounding snow. I sure liked all of the answers that this story has generated smart responses on this hunting trip. Canadian gun laws are so strict when using handguns in hunting and if it were a Canadian I think the story would have been different.
 
I have personally had a primer from a hot load fall out and into the action , took alot of fiddling to get it out . I can only imagine that it would be next to impossible in a stress situation like that . All the hater comments are really incredible . The haters are probably the biggest cowards themselves and they know it .
 
Why would anyone use max, hot loads whatever you wanna call it for a dangerous game hunt=stupid. Would of been funny if the bolt handle fell off or the trigger iced up.
 
I Dont think it happens on purpose . In my case I was working up loads and primer pocket stretched a bit . Good old Win brass . Anyways you got a sick sense of Humor there M1008 .
 
conor_90 said:
Right? Would you fly fish with a mountain grizzly 75 m from you? No way
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No way you’d do that with a cubbed sow on the coast, either. Been in both positions, they both get equal respect and a wide berth. Easy to argue there isn’t a more defensive bear than a coastal sow, due to all the cub predation they face, they spend their lives paranoid.

All grizzlies get equal respect, whether I’m in the boreal, the mountains, the tundra, or the salmon stream. There is no personality rule you can apply to any group of them and it would be very silly to try, it goes bear by bear. Just as Treadwell ####ed around and found out.

If you’re trying to use the size, colour, or position of the bear to determine what’s going to happen next you’re interpolating. It goes bear by bear, and all get a wide berth and respect.

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All grizzlies get equal respect, whether I’m in the boreal, the mountains, the tundra, or the salmon stream. There is no personality rule you can apply to any group of them and it would be very silly to try, it goes bear by bear.
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Fair enough; this is reasonable and certainly my strategy outside of internet #### measuring contests

“ discretion is the better part of valour”

I wouldn’t do anything within 75 metres of a sow with Cubs of any species besides calmly make my presence known and back away slowly…
 
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Pardon my French, but where the primer fell into.. ?

Watched through the whole video but can someone draw a rough picture or some thing splaining.

Not an expert in mountain shooting but their are bigger problems if you shooting at that far at any dangerous game.
 
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