Acceptable Precision
- Thread starter Longbow
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Read here. All you want to know and more.
If you enter matches..you want the best - load rifle combination you can get.
https://bulletin.accurateshooter.co...-accuracy-is-good-enough-for-your-discipline/
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Mystic Precision
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Summerland, BC
sub MOA at distance - off the basic props and barricades
Jerry
Jerry
- Location
- Nova Scotia
I think it's a user expectation when it comes to what they consider acceptable.
Sub-moa is all that is "needed". Obviously, everyone has their own preferences/requirements but I know shooters that have won high level US matches with guns shooting around 1 moa. Much mroe important than how your gun shoots prone is your ability to shoot it accurately and precisely off barricades and in unconventional positions.
Agreed, have had the chance to shoot a number of matches in the US, but am trying to come to grips with what new shooters really need and coming to the conclusion that if the rifle can truly shoot 1 MOA thrn it will not hold them back. The challenge is there is so much talk about .25 or .5 MOA rifles that is unhelpful for nw folks
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- Nova Scotia
I tend to shoot to have fun, and try to improve. Somedays I do good, somedays bad. One month I won, next month near end of the list.
Most new shooters will likely have more than 1 MOA of wobble when shooting off a barricade. So realistically, a 1 MOA rifle is absolutely not going to hold a new shooter back from getting into the game.
Will a 0.25 or 0.5MOA rifle increase your chances of hitting a target? Ya, probably, but it's absolutely not necessary if someone is looking to get into the game. Now, as someone who's shot a bunch of matches, I won't take a rifle to a match unless it's shooting 0.5 MOA. I just want every little advantage that may help me hit an extra target or 2.
Mystic Precision
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Summerland, BC
What shooter needs is certainly not what they want... nor talk about... or are influenced by media and manfs.
What shooters need is practise, lots and lots of practise.... and that is not very '###y' compared to the latest greatest ubber expensive widgit....
....that "resolves" their lack of skill.
Jerry
As in most things in life, practice trumps pretty much everything else.
At the end of the day what new shooters (new to PRS, that is) need to be made to understand is that their ability to shoot accurately and precisely off barricades and obstacles is what is key to success. If their rifle/load can shoot 1moa or better, they are much better served by working on positional shooting than they are by working on getting a more precise system, given a fixed amount of time they can devote to shooting. They'll be far more successful with a rifle that shoots 1 moa if they can shoot 2 moa off barricades than with a rifle that shoots .25 moa but they can shoot 3-4 moa off barricades. Even for the prone portions of PRS, absolute precision isn't particularly beneficial, especially to new shooters. The AB WEZ tool is great for looking at the actual numbers with regards to rifle precision affecting hit % at distance. If memory serves, going from a 0.75 moa rifle to a 0.25 moa rifle only yields a 2% improvement in hit probability on a 10" target at 1000 yds (which is generally much smaller than what you'll be shooting at PRS matches). At the end of the day, the new shooters just need to prioritize what is most important to them: improving at "PRS" or shooting tighter groups from the prone/bench because given a limited amount of time to train/practice, the latter does not equal the former.
Your going to need better that .5 Moa this year bud
The thing about PRS is that it is not really about accuracy or caliber, its more about how you handle cognitive over load.
The best PRS shooters I know have a very calm demeanor and you just cant learn that or buy it. You either have it or you don't.
It also helps to be very lean and agile.
Obviously the more accurate your rifle is, the better, but it also needs to be well balanced and with light recoil. I personally run 90 grain Atips out of a 223 at 2900 FPS with under 3/8 MOA, and no I do not bother to shoot in tactical division.
Most guys try and follow the leaders by running 6 MMs but that wont be the reason you score any better or worse than anyone else.
How you manage the stage, and how you track and analyze your performance is what will make the difference.
Be realistic about your expectations. PRS has guys that shoot 30,000 rounds a year in practice. Unless you have that kind of time and money, you are not there to compete with such a person.
My belief is that you want a rifle you believe in and enjoy shooting whatever that is to you. But don't think some other caliber or muzzle break or piece of equipment is going to take you to the top.
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I believe you can train yourself to be calm in stressful situations. Practice gives you skill, skill gives you results, results give you confidence, confidence keeps you calm.
A tack driver also gives you confidence in what you are seeing down range, nothing worse than double guessing your gear on the clock.
Most of my match loads shoot .6 ish 10 shot groups fairly consistently, I feel that is an easily attainable acceptable precision for a PRS rifle. I’ve shot loads that were worse, but I felt myself second guessing what I was seeing.
While I agree with your last statement, 30 years of working in a stressful environment where situational awareness is key and mentoring others to do the same leads me to believe differently about your assertion that you have it or you don't. While nature certainly plays a part, it can me trained.
