Is excessive Logging , hurting the bear pop in your area

[MiG25]

Forests can be quite lifeless. Due to fire supression and no logging, in the 90's it was estimated that there were less than 200 large animals in Kootenay National Park, mostly along the highway.

While previously it was estimated the area burned every 70 years, the estimate was it would take 2800 years for the same to happen.

 

[Spruster]

Forests can be quite lifeless. Due to fire supression and no logging, in the 90's it was estimated that there were less than 200 large animals in Kootenay National Park, mostly along the highway.

While previously it was estimated the area burned every 70 years, the estimate was it would take 2800 years for the same to happen.

Like I said I'm learning here . I never knew that logging was that beneficial for wildlife and the enviro.
The next logger I see , I will shake his/her hand

 

[treblek]

^what about all the crushed dead bears? Or if they magically escape the feller bunchers and skidders/fowarders do they starve in the barren landcape?

Lol. Oh that’s easy. The few survivors can feed on the apparently dozens of crushed carcasses of bears that were too slow to move out of the way of a buncher moving at 2 kmh.

 

[Spruster]

Lol. Oh that’s easy. The few survivors can feed on the apparently dozens of crushed carcasses of bears that were too slow to move out of the way of a buncher moving at 2 kmh.

Im asking because I don't know
where do the bears that move out of the way go , when its 30 below and frozen ?. so I understand

 

[pathfinder76]

You are talking out of your ass about a subject you don’t know anything about, you should be asking questions and taking notes, not giving your opinion because your opinion isn’t worth the bandwidth you wasted by typing it out here.

He has proven to be very good at this.

 

[treblek]

Im asking because I don't know
where do the bears that move out of the way go , when its 30 below and frozen ?. so I understand

As I said in a previous post. Every effort is made to identify bear dens, wildlife trees, stick nests etc while the blocks are being laid out. If any of those features are found they’re cut out of the block to avoid disturbing wildlife. In some cases, such as for stick nests, the block may only be harvested at certain times of the year to avoid disturbing the birds.

Even if this was not the case and every single bear den was run over, it would have almost no impact on bear populations. Only 0.3% of the forested land in BC is logged annually and more than half of that would occur at times of the year when bears aren’t hibernating.

 

[Spruster]

He has proven to be very good at this.

I am asking in above post . what more do you want . or just a chance to bash and be arrogant

 

[Spruster]

As I said in a previous post. Every effort is made to identify bear dens, wildlife trees, stick nests etc while the blocks are being laid out. If any of those features are found they’re cut out of the block to avoid disturbing wildlife. In some cases, such as for stick nests, the block may only be harvested at certain times of the year to avoid disturbing the birds.

Even if this was not the case and every single bear den was run over, it would have almost no impact on bear populations. Only 0.3% of the forested land in BC is logged annually and more than half of that would occur at times of the year when bears aren’t hibernating.

Ok .. well that's way diff as what I thought .. here in alberta sure looks like logging is done in winter frozen ground , but like you say no disturbance and upfront checking is good news ..thanks. I will hunt the cut blocks

 

[m1008]

Logging is done year round in Ontario if the fire risk becomes too high. Even during a ban because of fire risk they still haul hog fuel. All ways better to skid wood in the winter, stays clean. BC rainforest is not analogous to any other province.

 

[rajczak_kashka]

The “Honourable” Stephan Guilbeault says the lack of moose and deer is due to climate change. He’s drafting legislation as we speak on a new tax to assist these “dwindling” stocks of game. On average the most marginalized and racialized moose and dear will receive a net benefit in the form of a $500 dollar cheque to buy wholesome hay, while the richest of the moose and dear will be asked to pay more towards this injustice and systemic discrimination.

 

[Joel]

There is something to be said about the impacts of climate change on moose. I don't know if he is saying it...but there is.

Just ask a winter tick...

People worry about their ability to survive winter cold but their respiration and heart rate (signs of physical response) don't change until -30 for an adult and -20 for a calf. Its their ability to shed heat that really sucks. -5 to 5 degrees is a bigger problem than -25 when you're big, black, well insulated and volume to surface area ratio does not increase at the same rate.

It's worth concern and monitoring.

 

[Evanguy]

Who checks that? Well, for one, the RPFs or Forest Techs that need to sign off on the various silviculture surveys that are completed (regen, stocking survey, and free growing survey). These surveys are regulated on how and when they are completed and aren’t optional. And if someone was caught signing surveys that weren’t completed properly or falsified….let’s just say that I don’t want to be them when the regulating body (FPBC) comes after them. You can lose your designation, be fined hefty amounts, or drug through the courts. The simple fact is that the professionals that oversee forestry activities on the land base aren’t risking their livelihood to mow down your bears you’re so concerned about.
All the provinces operate differently but they all have something similar in place to manage the forests.

And for bear dens being run over….your dreaming. Very few blocks have dens in them to start with and those that do have retention patches placed around the dens or the dens are excluded from the block. Any given block has had people all over it receeing it, laying it out, and timber cruising it. That’s a lot of eyes on the ground. And once again all of this is being overseen by a registered professional forester. It’s not the wild west out there with feller bunchers just cutting wherever they please.

Hay that's not fair, the one peta article he read left all that info out. You need to argue with feeling not facts.

 

[hunter7mmRM]

Wrong . Moose do not survive better in these areas because once logged out , the round - up spraying starts. Kill off small shrubs and grass. All they want to start over is spruce trees.. period.. poplar or any leaf trees are destroyed (willows) . BC has been fighting this for decades

Did you know that there are areas in this country where they do not spray logging blocks?

 

[m1008]

Unaware that poplar is logged for lumber and chipped for pulp. Feelings and thoughts, the way a woman argues or tries to justify herself.

 

[jbmauser]

Logging has not affected bear populations in my area and increased moose, deer and elk populations. In fact we now have a 2 bear season because there's so many. There's way more food in the logging clear cuts after a couple years than in the mature forests.

 

[Joel]

Logging has not affected bear populations in my area and increased moose, deer and elk populations. In fact we now have a 2 bear season because there's so many. There's way more food in the logging clear cuts after a couple years than in the mature forests.

Amazing what happens when you have forestry work AND you don't let people just shoot all the moose they see in clear cuts or deny road access...

BTW who says we only shoot with cameras at work

 

[jbmauser]

Amazing what happens when you have forestry work AND you don't let people just shoot all the moose they see in clear cuts or deny road access...

BTW who says we only shoot with cameras at work

Nice doe.

Around here the logging is well done with a lot of considerations for soil erosion, wildlife habitat etc. At least from what I see when I'm hunting and hiking these areas extensively. It takes a year or two for grass, poplar, willow and other types of browse to take off but once it does these areas are full of food. Logging roads are often torn up with a cat so people can't road hunt through them and I think that helps keep pressure off the animals.

They recently started logging the valley one of my cabins is in and while I'm sad to see the landscape change in the area I've hunted since a kid, I'm also excited to see how it benefits the game in the area. It's mostly more open poplar forest so I don't think there will be a big increase in food like there is over an old growth spruce or pine but it will be interesting to see and learn what happens from the change.

 

[cody c]

This thread is a loaded question. Answer "no" and you admit to excessive logging, as if we hold some sort of command over the logging industry.

Maybe the OP should answer to "do you regret your spousal abuse?"

On top of that, not a single source of intelligible data or context to support a far fetched bias, only rude or dismissive commentary. I'm honestly wondering if this guy is a "bot"

Anyone that knows or who has worked around the logging industry knows that old tall growth forests dont allow enough light for smaller shrubs which are a food source for bears outside of the edge of meadows and waterways.

Anyone who has actually hunted bear knows that cut blocks which are only a couple years old yield most likely hunting grounds to find a black bear, the competition plant life grows quickly, the best places to find bears is usually cut lines and 2-6 year old cut blocks.

Cut blocks are literally better habitat.

The shift to talk about cone spraying and monsanto is just a "bait & switch" tactic to avoid the obvious flaws in the main subject of this thread. How does anyone watch bears get killed during logging, which is either when bears are multiple feet under ground and under snow during winter, or above ground, awake and getting the heck away from the loud noise of diesel powered machinery. This is utter nonsense.

It's like he's trying to create some sort of illustration that loggers are chasing down bears and cutting them up with chainsaws, or logging equipment chases them down and runs them over. Too many disney movies.

 

[Joel]

Nice doe.

Around here the logging is well done with a lot of considerations for soil erosion, wildlife habitat etc. At least from what I see when I'm hunting and hiking these areas extensively. It takes a year or two for grass, poplar, willow and other types of browse to take off but once it does these areas are full of food. Logging roads are often torn up with a cat so people can't road hunt through them and I think that helps keep pressure off the animals.

They recently started logging the valley one of my cabins is in and while I'm sad to see the landscape change in the area I've hunted since a kid, I'm also excited to see how it benefits the game in the area. It's mostly more open poplar forest so I don't think there will be a big increase in food like there is over an old growth spruce or pine but it will be interesting to see and learn what happens from the change.

Thanks. Its a European Red that escaped a farm. Since they've been tested and found carrying CWD before, we need to control them ASAP since they end up mingling with our whitetail deer.

You've described pretty much to a T the material I go by lol. Nice to read the observations.

Trying to open people to that kind of road scarification here...

Cut blocks are literally better habitat.

Yup

Its almost like if you're outside observing where this stuff happens, you pick up on it lol.

 

[ShrtRnd]

This thread is a loaded question. Answer "no" and you admit to excessive logging, as if we hold some sort of command over the logging industry.

Maybe the OP should answer to "do you regret your spousal abuse?"

On top of that, not a single source of intelligible data or context to support a far fetched bias, only rude or dismissive commentary. I'm honestly wondering if this guy is a "bot"

Anyone that knows or who has worked around the logging industry knows that old tall growth forests dont allow enough light for smaller shrubs which are a food source for bears outside of the edge of meadows and waterways.

Anyone who has actually hunted bear knows that cut blocks which are only a couple years old yield most likely hunting grounds to find a black bear, the competition plant life grows quickly, the best places to find bears is usually cut lines and 2-6 year old cut blocks.

Cut blocks are literally better habitat.

The shift to talk about cone spraying and monsanto is just a "bait & switch" tactic to avoid the obvious flaws in the main subject of this thread. How does anyone watch bears get killed during logging, which is either when bears are multiple feet under ground and under snow during winter, or above ground, awake and getting the heck away from the loud noise of diesel powered machinery. This is utter nonsense.

It's like he's trying to create some sort of illustration that loggers are chasing down bears and cutting them up with chainsaws, or logging equipment chases them down and runs them over. Too many disney movies.

Oh, you did gone done it now.. wait for your own special PM from the OP shortly