Did a bit of searching for answers to this... I'm wondering if anybody has recently brought primers from the states to canada. I understand we can bring up to 5,000 without a permit. Would appreciate hearing from anyone who has been able to bring them over the border. Thank you!
Bringing primers across the border from the US to Canada
- Thread starter rmckeon
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They have
The question is whether the $500 ceiling applies to licensed US exporters only or to unlicensed non-resident aliens as well.
I do not know the answer to that.
If you are planning on exporting these items, I would suggest that you get prior written clarification from US authorities.
I do not know the answer to that.
If you are planning on exporting these items, I would suggest that you get prior written clarification from US authorities.
To answer your question: You do need to have a US mailing address for proper compliance, any border mail service would do. A non resident can apply for export permits, however they have to do so while physically in the US. Keeping it under $500, a 740.3 LVS exception can be used and no export permit needed.
- Location
- Western Manitoba
You may have determined what Canada allows to come IN to Canada. Now you need to find out what USA allows to go OUT of their country - carried by an "alien" - two different sets of rules - depends who's dirt you are standing on, and which country's enforcement agency you are dealing with.
- Location
- Western Manitoba
I do not think so - USA has their own laws and their own enforcement when you are on their side of the border - will be what you have to deal with. Is likely you will hear some describe "what they got away with" and will think that made it "legal" - not realizing there is a difference. For example, I do not think in many states that an "alien" is allowed to purchase ammo at a store - even though a resident of that state can. Not certain about primers? For sure, simply being an "alien" and in possession of ammo - without more USA paper and USA permits - will likely ruin your day, if you are stopped on USA side of the border by Sheriff, Highway Patrol, Homeland Security, US Customs, etc.
There has been several posts on CGN about USA roadblocks set up 100 feet, 100 yards or a couple miles on USA side of border - appears to be a "thing" that some USA people report out-of-country license plates at various gun shows or gun stores - likely what prompts those road blocks.
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No, it is not....
See post numbers 5 and 8.
You need to have all of your ducks in a row before attempting to leave the USA with what may be a controlled item.
Asking for opinions here does not trump (no pun implied) US Government Regulations.
You stated that there’s no export permit required if keeping below $500. You also said one needed a US mailing address for proper compliance. Please explain what you mean by that.
Yes, the 5000 is a Canadian limit and has nothing to do with the American rules and regulations pertaining to exporting out of the US.
ht tps://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/documents/regulations-docs/2330-ccl0-to-9-10-24-18/file
ht tps://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/documents/regulations-docs/2253-supplement-no-1-to-part-738-commerce-country-chart/file
Note 1 to 0A505.x: The controls on “parts” and “components” in this entry include Berdan and boxer primers, metallic cartridge cases, and standard metallic projectiles such as full metal jacket, lead core, copper projectiles, and frangible projectiles.
The links above provides information on the requirements
ht tps://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/documents/regulations-docs/2253-supplement-no-1-to-part-738-commerce-country-chart/file
Note 1 to 0A505.x: The controls on “parts” and “components” in this entry include Berdan and boxer primers, metallic cartridge cases, and standard metallic projectiles such as full metal jacket, lead core, copper projectiles, and frangible projectiles.
The links above provides information on the requirements
I hate legalese. If I read that right anything under 0A505.x is still under ITAR control?
It IS NOT that simple.
IF it was, don't you think everyone would be doing it and there would be no primer shortage in Canada? You aren't the only person in Canada to have considered such.
I will explain it a little further down this post
It is not what I got away with, but what I have researched, emailed both Deprtment of State and of Commerce and had been instructed. I have my own account with BIS as well.
You are 100% correct with ammo purchases cause state laws may come into effect. Another thing to consider is that ammunition and optics are two items that do not have the $500 LVS exception so an export permit is needed at all times.
I will try to explain as clearly as I can. As a non-resident you may apply for export permits but you need to have an address in the US, therefore rendering YOU the exporter.
They also advise you to apply for the export permit while in the US. Components, gun parts, etc...now fall under the Commerce Control List and have a $500 exception (Not on AMMO or Optics though). If you try to apply for the export permit for under $500 you will get a reply that one is not needed. BUT, you need an address and you become the exporter, I cannot stress that enough.
Correct, and you should also see that 0a505 has a LVS exception for under $500
It is not simple but it can be done, it also can be done with powders... Side note, there are no Large Rifle Primers to be had in the US eother
