Biggest game?

IMO All Around Big Game cartridges start with the 6.5x55, depending on the Jurisdiction and load it may not be legal for Bison.

It would be legal in Montana with 150+ grain bullets. It's probably only a matter of time before we see 175+ grain bullets although I'm not sure the 6.5x55 has the jam to get the required velocity (energy) for BC.

Elmer Kieth was shooting 200 grain bullets in a 6.5x61 Wildcat way back when.
 
Ardent said:
Bell was a professional poacher, legendary as his exploits and great as the books are, he was running on a different understanding of hunting. There have been many professional poachers on this continent of far lesser regard as North American ivory is harder to find and pays poorer, who favoured the .22 rimfire. I don’t think Bell is a useful example to most sport hunters, other than to illustrate the importance of shot placement above all else.
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9.3mauser said:
Define "poacher". To me, it means someone who hunts contrary to the law. I've read most of Bell's writings, and from what I've been able to glean from that, Bell operated either within the law or in the absence of law. As an example, when in the Lado Enclave, Belgian territory at the time, Bell acquired a permit to hunt commercially. When the Belgians vacated the area, it was roughly 6 months before the British could legally assume jurisdiction. In that period, he was hunting in absence of law.

I've heard the "poacher" label applied to Bell quite frequently, and it's usually intended as a slander. Others, like Taylor and Nyschens, by their own admission hunting in contravention of the game laws, but they always seem to get a pass. I've never quite understood the double standard, though I have my suspicions.
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we can always say that a poacher is only a poacher when he is caught ....

track said:
He had the right calibre, just the wrong cartridge.
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poaching is taking a game without the authorisation, a license or a season ... and of course been caught for doing that ...

i had the chance to work with most of the living legends that were ivory hunters at the end of the second world war (i m not that old and met them at the end of the 80s lol) and all have in common one thing: they do not have very often a license and were making sure that they were always at different close country border that can help to cross from one to another ... cites did not bother on the ivory.

in my time in CAR we had Yaringas called by other road blockers or by other poachers that were providing bush meat or ivory for the war that was happening already in sudan ... ivory has always contributed to wars like diamonds and drugs ... and we can see another war in sudan.
in those days as well the 12,7mm was used a lot to collect some ivory for regular army soldiers.
 
medvedqc said:
we can always say that a poacher is only a poacher when he is caught ....



poaching is taking a game without the authorisation, a license or a season ... and of course been caught for doing that ...

i had the chance to work with most of the living legends that were ivory hunters at the end of the second world war (i m not that old and met them at the end of the 80s lol) and all have in common one thing: they do not have very often a license and were making sure that they were always at different close country border that can help to cross from one to another ... cites did not bother on the ivory.

in my time in CAR we had Yaringas called by other road blockers or by other poachers that were providing bush meat or ivory for the war that was happening already in sudan ... ivory has always contributed to wars like diamonds and drugs ... and we can see another war in sudan.
in those days as well the 12,7mm was used a lot to collect some ivory for regular army soldiers.
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At that time and place, it wasn't poaching. - dan
 
A rather short range, it would do anything say up to moose. However, since for me, moose hunting is $400 in ferries and $2500 in fuel, I have better choices.

Jim Harmer, youtu.be backfire, took a 6.5 manbun to Africa. He wasn't happy with terminal ballistic performance on I believe a Blue Wildebeast. Equated that to NA Elk. So for him, it's a deer cartridge.

One of the other issues is bullets. Traditional .264 bores have quit at 140gr. The new .264, creedmore, rpm, prc, use fast twist and heavier bullets. Just not sure most of those 》140gr bullets would be considered good hunting bullets.
 
nowarningshot said:
A rather short range, it would do anything say up to moose. However, since for me, moose hunting is $400 in ferries and $2500 in fuel, I have better choices.

Jim Harmer, youtu.be backfire, took a 6.5 manbun to Africa. He wasn't happy with terminal ballistic performance on I believe a Blue Wildebeast. Equated that to NA Elk. So for him, it's a deer cartridge.

One of the other issues is bullets. Traditional .264 bores have quit at 140gr. The new .264, creedmore, rpm, prc, use fast twist and heavier bullets. Just not sure most of those 》140gr bullets would be considered good hunting bullets.
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140 gr partitions do pretty well, I have run them in 6.5x55, 6.5x57, 6.5-06 and 6.5 Rem Mags. My 6.5x54 prefers 160 gr bullets. - dan
 
Exactly my point. I have 200 140 partition to use in my 264 win mag. Say 4-500ft/sec faster than the creedmore. What would.that be....same speed at 2-250 as the manbun has at muzzle. The 264wm is a great elk round, so would be the creedmore, just question the judgement of most users. If it's a day trip like eagleeye, just walk away. Someone on a once a year trip spending my number$$, would you personally walk away or shoot your rifle magazine dry?

Let's start a bear defense thread, anything but CSAAA.
 
Galt said:
Is there a law where you are that states you need a license to shoot mice?
if not and you do are you poaching?
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between an elephant an a mouse there is a little different ... you have to understand that what we called PH at the time were collecting just the ivory and most of the time the meat was left rotten ... but i understand that you have to worship always someone ...
 
medvedqc said:
between an elephant an a mouse there is a little different ... you have to understand that what we called PH at the time were collecting just the ivory and most of the time the meat was left rotten ... but i understand that you have to worship always someone ...
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poaching is poaching..
you just don't like ivory hunters... that's a different conversation.
 
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